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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    When you become an employer there are certain government guidelines that you must follow, and you must respect your employee's rights.
    I'm actually surprised about your stance on this Your Star. I really don't mean to be personal here but are you not discriminated against and prevented from doing something by the government? Why should an employer be discriminated against just because they are an employer?
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    theere is a question of harm. the chain reaction it could set off. we also do not know what took place in the interview other than her claims. Furthermore they did not let her wear a skirt for a while then changed their mind. She was told no at her first attempt to wear a skirt to work.
    You appear to be engaged in contrarian positioning-arguing for the sake of arguing

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Omgitsme View Post
    To her it isnt an absurd belief. And you are right BK isnt banning her from working there. However they are requiring that she violate her religious beliefs in order to work there.
    No they're not. They requiring that she wear the employee uniform like everyone else does. It has nothing to do with her religion from BK's POV. The one making this about religion is this girl...and those supporting her.
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I'm actually surprised about your stance on this Your Star. I really don't mean to be personal here but are you not discriminated against and prevented from doing something by the government? Why should an employer be discriminated against just because they are an employer?
    How would they be discriminated against if they had to let her wear a simple skirt because of her constitutionally protected right to practice her religion?
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    They have a right not to be discriminated against in hiring because of their religion.
    true and I will try to set out my position again

    IN AN IDEAL WORLD free of the expansion of the commerce clause by FDR and his minions, an EMPLOYER should have the absolute right to hire or fire whom he pleases

    IN an IDEAL world religions would not be idiotic to decree that ladies pants are "menswear"-as I noted in medieval europe fashionable young men wore what basically is the same thing our fashionable young women wear-mini skirts and tights. and the factory environment of WWII made trousers the standard for the women making weapons of war while the men were fighting the Nazis and the Rising Sun.

    BUT since we DO have TITLE VII and since that is the LAW OF THE LAND (whether I like it or not) and as an attorney who has handled over ONE HUNDRED TITLE VII cases including several federal jury trials of REASONABLE ACCOMMODATION I can tell you it is my belief BK violated Title VII

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Documentation??? Now you are just being silly.
    I'm dead serious. That's the way the current system works. There's no form per-se, typically just a letter from their priest or equivalent.

    I'm amazed that you folks truly have no idea how this works.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    As per federal law, religion is a good enough excuse. That you don't care for religion per-se and/or this particular belief, is irrelevant. The law is what the law is and it's not about to be changed anytime soon. If you're going to operate a business in America you have to allow certain things even if you don't like them.

    The alternative is to either move to another country or not be in business at all. Your choice.
    Or to appeal to common sense and get that law removed. Particularly since it could violate someone else's religious belief. And remember, according to the BoR the government may make no law regarding religion. That includes protections for that religion.

    You seem to conviently forget these things.
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    When Ross Perot created EDS, the dress code required employees to wear a white button-down shirt every day. Not pale blue, not light beige, white. Every day. If you didn't want to wear one, you didn't hire on at EDS. Even today there are organizations that strongly encourage women to wear dresses and skirts rather than pants and also high heels.

    If you aren't willing to comply with a company's policy, don't work for that company. It has the right to set its own standards and create its own corporate culture.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I believe in God, but I don't think God cares whether or not I wear pants or a skirt.
    He might if you have legs like Maria Sharapova

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Omgitsme View Post
    Yes I get that difference. However they are still requiring her to violate a deeply held religious belief in order to work there. And the only thing they have to do to accommodate her is allow her to wear a skirt.
    You've got it backwards. She is requiring them to violate thier company policy to accomodate her religious belief. She is the one that applied for the job. They did not ask her to. As the supplicant she must abide by thier conditions. Not the other way around.
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