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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    That's not it at all.

    The owner still sets the uniform even while they have to make small exceptions. The owner still tells the Pentecost employee what length, color, material and general appearance the skirt has to meet, just as they do for the Hajib today. Based on my experience ordering my own pants for fast-food in highschool, the employer can even require that you order from a certain catalog at your own expense (you wouldn't believe the quantity of alternative approved uniform pieces KFC has). A Muslim KFC employee had the right to wear the Hajib, but it has to be a solid color with no writing, of either red, blue or white, couldn't cover the face, had to be tucked into the collar, and couldn't otherwise dangle or get in the way.

    Just because a pregnant employee has the right to un-tuck the uniform shirt, doesn't mean the employer lost the ability to set the uniform. An amputee can pin up the pant leg, doesn't mean the employer can't still require uniform pants. An employee on oxygen and has to have a tank doesn't mean the employer can't prohibit writing or flair on the tank or it's carrier.

    We say "small exception to the rule", and you respond with "complete and total loss of control". You're being hysterical. The only thing the employer needs to give on is allowing a skirt. Everything else stays well within the employer's control.
    And why can't the employer be allowed to state whether their employees wear pants while at work or not? Religion is not a good enough excuse as they have a right to not be forced to accomodate someone else's religion.
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Maybe BK should terminate the employee who first told this woman it was okay for not knowing they have a dress code. Who knows? Maybe he wasn't even paying attention to her, and was just like "yeah, yeah, that's fine." A "verbal" contract could be pretty ambiguous. That's why you should always have agreements written in clear legal terms.
    Exactly. The entire thing is going to come down to who said what. Her rights to dress code were protected PRIOR to being employed. BKs corporated dress code policy were protected PRIOR to her being employed.

    1. She has the right to dress how every she feels she is compelled to dress for religious purposes.

    2. BK has the right to refuse people work who cannot respond corporate dress codes.

    The argument is not about who had what right PRIOR to hire. The argument is about who did or did not agree to those rights at the point of interview/hire.

    What was she told?
    When?
    Who told her?
    Is there written documentation of what was relayed to her by BK management?
    Is there a published dress code that would address wearing of pants?
    Was it provided to her in the interview and did she acknowledge that she had read the and agreed to the dress code?
    Was the interviewer qualified to interview and relay corporate policies?
    Was the BK trainer negligent in his communication with the employee?

    It really is not about religion.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Really? And when another female employee sees this girl wearing a skirt and asks to wear a skirt as well, how do they say no without discriminating against her?.
    Ask for documentation proving that wearing a skirt is a "deeply held religious belief". As soon as that employee can produce the documentation, she can wear the skirt.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    This behavior is why the mods had to create a separate forum for genuine religious discussions.
    What, am I not allowed to call an absurd religious belief an absurd religious belief?
    Hold on. God just called. Even He thinks its stupid.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Yes it is, you know the right to religious freedom.
    The right to religious freedom as is stated in our Constitution applies to the federal government. Not to private individuals or companies. Remember, the BoR was to be applied to the government, not the citizens.
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Omgitsme View Post
    This isnt about a simple article of clothing. Its about religious beliefs. And if you believe that wearing pants will upset god or whatever you really arnt going to wear pants. So to her wearing a skirt is the only option.

    I dont believe an employer should be able to discriminate against whoever they want.
    To the girl it is about religion. To the BK employee that told her to go home it was about company policy and had nothing to do with religion. That difference should really be noted.
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    And why can't the employer be allowed to state whether their employees wear pants while at work or not? Religion is not a good enough excuse as they have a right to not be forced to accomodate someone else's religion.
    As per federal law, religion is a good enough excuse. That you don't care for religion per-se and/or this particular belief, is irrelevant. The law is what the law is and it's not about to be changed anytime soon. If you're going to operate a business in America you have to allow certain things even if you don't like them.

    The alternative is to either move to another country or not be in business at all. Your choice.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Ask for documentation proving that wearing a skirt is a "deeply held religious belief". As soon as that employee can produce the documentation, she can wear the skirt.
    Documentation??? Now you are just being silly.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    To the girl it is about religion. To the BK employee that told her to go home it was about company policy and had nothing to do with religion. That difference should really be noted.
    Yes I get that difference. However they are still requiring her to violate a deeply held religious belief in order to work there. And the only thing they have to do to accommodate her is allow her to wear a skirt.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Omgitsme View Post
    Yes I get that difference. However they are still requiring her to violate a deeply held religious belief in order to work there. And the only thing they have to do to accommodate her is allow her to wear a skirt.
    This is the key, it is not a major deviation from the dress code, the company can dictate what type of skirt, what color, how long etc. They're just being dicks.
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