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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    In this case it forces it upon the employer by making them accomodate for something that the employer obviously does not believe in. If you make someone follow or allow something which is against company policy, or even personal policy then you are applying force.
    See my last post.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    How is it fiction? Do employers have no rights?
    Of cousre they do with the exception of discriminating against a person based on religion in this situation.



    You are doing nothing more than evading my questions. Why are you avoiding answering them? They are quite legitimate.
    You have ignored the law , the reasoning, the case filed by the EEOC and the press release issued by the EEOC all of which I have I posted and provided explanation therein. I am not avoiding your questions I have answered them, quite extensively in fact.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Omgitsme View Post
    Kind of like how not allowing an employer to discriminate against employees race, sexual orientation, and gender is pushing your beliefs on employers right?
    Yup, can't have your same-sex spouse come meet you for lunch, that would be pushing your sexuality onto others.

    Can't let any pregnant women be employed with the company, either, because that's pushing your sex/gender onto others.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    Religious organizations are exempt from the ADA in section 307. These organizations can comply and many do as the attendance at these religious groups by members and their families may be contingent upon them having access as a matter of course, but , not as a matter of law.
    Right, compliance is optional. Full houses of worship are fully compliant. But they can be or not, if they so choose.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Omgitsme View Post
    Kind of like how not allowing an employer to discriminate against employees race, sexual orientation, and gender is pushing your beliefs on employers right?
    Yep, this.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Facebook and video-games aren't federally protected classes.
    Where did I ever say it was? In fact where did I ever bring those up?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Religion is.
    You're right, it is federally protected. People have the Right to practice whatever religion that they want. This is why the employer cannot make a person follow thier personal religious belief and they also cannot fire someone due to a bigotry of their religion. But people do NOT have the Right to force others to accomodate their religious beliefs. If I told this girl that she is welcome in my house so long as she wears pants there is nothing that she could do to me legally.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Wasting company time directly, measurably harms the company. A skirt does not.
    Again, as I have stated before, "harm" is irrelevent. The employer has a right to apply a dress code to everyone equally.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    How do you folks expect us to take you seriously when it comes to "under God" or "in God we trust" when you freak out over a skirt?
    I think you're mistaking me with someone else. I could care less if the government puts "In God We Trust" on money or not. Same with the pledge.
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Omgitsme View Post
    Kind of like how not allowing an employer to discriminate against employees race, sexual orientation, and gender is pushing your beliefs on employers right?
    Not even close to the same thing. Can someones race be donned and chosen like a skirt? Can someones sexual orientation be donned like a skirt? Can gender be donned like a skirt? All of those are of course no. They cannot be donned like a skirt. Ones religion can be chosen. Those examples you gave cannot be.

    Not that it really matters to me. I'm quite willing to allow the employer to discriminate against whatever they want all they want. I fully believe that today's society will weed them out of buisness if thier belief is truely wrong.
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    But that is what is being contested.
    That's not it at all.

    The owner still sets the uniform even while they have to make small exceptions. The owner still tells the Pentecost employee what length, color, material and general appearance the skirt has to meet, just as they do for the Hajib today. Based on my experience ordering my own pants for fast-food in highschool, the employer can even require that you order from a certain catalog at your own expense (you wouldn't believe the quantity of alternative approved uniform pieces KFC has). A Muslim KFC employee had the right to wear the Hajib, but it has to be a solid color with no writing, of either red, blue or white, couldn't cover the face, had to be tucked into the collar, and couldn't otherwise dangle or get in the way.

    Just because a pregnant employee has the right to un-tuck the uniform shirt, doesn't mean the employer lost the ability to set the uniform. An amputee can pin up the pant leg, doesn't mean the employer can't still require uniform pants. An employee on oxygen and has to have a tank doesn't mean the employer can't prohibit writing or flair on the tank or it's carrier.

    We say "small exception to the rule", and you respond with "complete and total loss of control". You're being hysterical. The only thing the employer needs to give on is allowing a skirt. Everything else stays well within the employer's control.
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Yep, this.

    There are certain things that need to be protected. We have rights, we are not sheep for the employers to disregard our humanity.
    Except this case is neither an example of discrimination nor of a rights violation.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Except this case is neither an example of discrimination nor of a rights violation.
    Yes it is, you know the right to religious freedom.
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