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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Did ya figure out yet that there's a difference between "a dress code that is a necessary and functional part of the job, without which the job cannot be performed as required"...

    ...versus "a accomodation that WILL NOT affect the employee's ability to perform their job, nor impact the jobsite's ability to function normally?"


    There is no harm in letting a Pentecostal woman wear a long skirt instead of pants at a frigging Burger King! If she wanted to wear a long skirt while serving as a firefighter that would be different...
    Whether there is harm or not is irrelevent for the simple fact that the employer should be able to set a dress code and apply it to EVERYONE regardless of religion, gender, race, or creed. Why should the employer have to make exceptions just because of some persons religious belief system? Just because it is the law is not a good enough reason. It was once the law to allow segregation. Should we have kept that law just because it was the law? There was a valid reason to get rid of segregation. What is the valid reason to force an employer to accomodate the dress code of a persons religion?
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Yes it does. And it was meant to apply to those situations where the employer didn't hire someone, or fired someone due to religion. This is not what happened in this story. The orientation manager told the girl to go home because she was wearing a dress. Which was against company rules. Him telling her to go home had absolutely NOTHING to do with her religion. It had EVERYTHING to do with her wearing a dress when the company rule book has a specific dress code.

    Why can't you get that through YOUR head?



    Nor is "MY EMPLOYER" the same as "MY DOG"!



    Very funny, Kal. I don't get to treat my employer like a dog, but I've seen the reverse a lot.

    Show up for work late? Get written up, keep it up and get fired.
    Not in full uniform? Written up, maybe suspended without pay.
    Has a brand of cleaner (like Windex) in the work truck that we don't have office Hazmat sheets for? Written up, maybe suspended.
    Insubordination, back-talk, arguing with supervisor? Quick ticket out the door.

    Hell I can get fired for getting a speeding ticket IN MY PERSONAL VEHCILE ON MY OWN TIME. One ticket.

    I'm not saying I disagree with most of these rules, but what I am saying is that a few examples clearly show you where the power is in the employer-employee relationship, and who it is that needs to be restrained against abusing the person-of-lesser-power in the relationship.

    Not long ago an employee was fired for going on Facebook on the office computer. She was fired for this BY a corporate supervisor who I've seen playing Angry Birds (or some such crap) on the same computer.

    One standard for the boss, another for the peons.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Holy hannah.... pushing her religion on others would be demanding that ALL female employees wear skirts.... not that she be allowed to fulfill a reasonable requirement of her religion without being fired for it.
    Forcing an employer to accomodate her religious belief despite a several decade old policy is itself a form of pushing her belief onto the employer.
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Ahh, so every woman who wears a skirt to work is pushing their religion, aye?
    It is only pushing thier religion if 1: It is actually a part of a religion they believe in AND 2: the woman forces that employer to accomodate her.
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Omgitsme View Post
    How is wearing a long skirt to work pushing religion on others?
    In this case it forces it upon the employer by making them accomodate for something that the employer obviously does not believe in. If you make someone follow or allow something which is against company policy, or even personal policy then you are applying force.
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    It is only pushing thier religion if 1: It is actually a part of a religion they believe in AND 2: the woman forces that employer to accomodate her.
    If a skirt is so intimidating to you, then just avoid BK.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Holy hannah.... pushing her religion on others would be demanding that ALL female employees wear skirts.... not that she be allowed to fulfill a reasonable requirement of her religion without being fired for it.
    I think there's more to the story then that, or the manager of this particular Burger King is not very bright--if he actually said or put in writing the skirt is why we're letting you go.

    Either way, the smart way to get rid of people who are disruptive to the work place is just not give them many shifts. Then write her up for every mistake, create a paper trail of problems.

    I'm obviously speculating and have no evidence to back this up except having worked in several min. wage jobs and knowing that franchise owners are usually up to speed on employment law and would not step into a slam dunk law suit.

    Was she even fired--meaning she can show in writing that they officially terminated her employment over the uniform issue?

    Just playing Devil's Advocate... as it were.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    In this case it forces it upon the employer by making them accomodate for something that the employer obviously does not believe in. If you make someone follow or allow something which is against company policy, or even personal policy then you are applying force.
    Since when is applying force always wrong?

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    You are creating one fiction after another ....should you wish to continue further kindly stick to the issue at hand....
    How is it fiction? Do employers have no rights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    Individual rights are not being violated here. If, for example BK had 14 employees Title VII would not be applicable. I will painstakingly repost from post # 252 as these are the reasons why such a law is applicable to BK.
    You are doing nothing more than evading my questions. Why are you avoiding answering them? They are quite legitimate.
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Hooters is quite possibly the worst example you could have pulled up for your argument.

    Hooters begins it's business life by losing a 1.2mil lawsuit for copy-write infringement. Hooters has lost class-action lawsuits brought by it's employees (about 400 employees) not only for the appearance of their uniforms, but also for charging employees for the uniform, forcing employees to pay for customers who ditch, and not giving regular brakes as required by law. Hooters has also lost a few individual lawsuits for wrongful termination when they claimed waitresses were to fat, when the waitresses in question had actually lost weight in the months after being hired.

    Hooters won a notable lawsuit when a few men claimed employment discrimination based on sex when Hooters wouldn't let them be wait staff. Hooters was able to demonstrate a Bona Fide Occupational Qualification, that a girls-only wait staff was essential to the business model and also demonstrating in court that allowing men would harm the business.

    Hooters is a fine example of an abusive employer and their legal history bears this out.
    This woman was not fired for being too fat. She was not forced to pay for her uniform.

    The Hooters uniform is the same as it was when I entered my first Hooters Restaurant. The owners are legally allowed to set uniform requirements.

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