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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Sorry bud, but no you aren't. Shall I make a list?

    You have to comply with Equal Opportunity rules in hiring and promotions... one of which addresses religion.
    You have to comply with OSHA safety standards... no sending employees into ammonia leaks without breathing masks, sorry.
    You have to comply with sexual harassment laws... no requiring BJs from employees as a condition of employment.


    Dammit, y'all need to get this one thing through your head...


    "MY EMPLOYEE" is not the same thing as "MY DOG"!
    You are correct that OSHA guidelines must be followed, but you are incorrectly implying that employees can treat my business as their church.

    I am allowed to set a dress code. I am not going to let some employee deviate from it by claiming their Buddhist or Muslim religion won't let them dress like that.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    You are correct that OSHA guidelines must be followed, but you are incorrectly implying that employees can treat my business as their church.

    I am allowed to set a dress code. I am not going to let some employee deviate from it by claiming their Buddhist or Muslim religion won't let them dress like that.


    Then be prepared for some Title VII lawsuits.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Then be prepared for some Title VII lawsuits.
    How has Hooters fared in their lawsuits?

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    That is a slightly different response than the one that drew my comment...
    That just begs the question: Why didn't you respond to my original responses to this thread before everyone dived in bickering back and forth? Why did you wait for this thread to polarize before chiming in? The comment of mine you responded to, was provoked, so why didn't you chime in then?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    but what is and isnt 'reasonable' isnt exactly obvious. Easy for you to say that someone else should be forced to do something, but what about the employers rights? That doesnt seem to enter your calculations.
    That comment tells me you didn't notice myself and other quoting directly from the relevant Federal and State laws, telling employers they do these things.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    If some Amish dude walks in, does an employer have to allow him to wear that silly hat because his religion says so or be in violation of that mans rights?
    That comment tells me you don't know anything about the Amish. The only Amish who are required to wear the hat are the same Amish who are banned from seeking employment in modern environments. Should such an Amish accept employment in fast-food, that Amish would be kicked out of their church and thus released from the obligation to wear the hat.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    What about the vegetarian who wants a job but refuses to work the meat station.
    Vegetarianism isn't a religion or other protected class. No one forces anyone to eat anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    What about the Jehovahs Witness who wants to spread the word to customers and fellow employees?
    That disrupts the business and can drive away customers. The same cannot be said for a skirt.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    What we are talking about here is an incredibly irrational belief that there is a God out there somewhere that somehow gets angry when women wear mens clothing.
    All we're saying is it's against federal law to discriminate this way. If you have a problem with the law itself, that's not what this thread is about.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Again, womens pants are womens clothing.
    I agree, and a Kilt is men's clothing, but our opinions don't matter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    If this woman and her silly religion cant come to terms with that, then there is no reason to impose their irrationality and unreasonableness upon everyone else.
    Whatever bro, that's not what this thread is about. We have the Philosophical Forum for that topic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    While interesting, none of that addresses anything I wrote.
    Other than the fact that it directly answers your question, with credible source material to boot.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    How has Hooters fared in their lawsuits?

    Did ya figure out yet that there's a difference between "a dress code that is a necessary and functional part of the job, without which the job cannot be performed as required"...

    ...versus "a accomodation that WILL NOT affect the employee's ability to perform their job, nor impact the jobsite's ability to function normally?"


    There is no harm in letting a Pentecostal woman wear a long skirt instead of pants at a frigging Burger King! If she wanted to wear a long skirt while serving as a firefighter that would be different...

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Did ya figure out yet that there's a difference between "a dress code that is a necessary and functional part of the job, without which the job cannot be performed as required"...

    ...versus "a accomodation that WILL NOT affect the employee's ability to perform their job, nor impact the jobsite's ability to function normally?"


    There is no harm in letting a Pentecostal woman wear a long skirt instead of pants at a frigging Burger King! If she wanted to wear a long skirt while serving as a firefighter that would be different...
    Hooters hasn't lost any lawsuits regarding their uniform. The employer has that right.

    Don't mess with Hooters, Hooters is sacred.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post

    Reading between the lines -- she was probably fired for being an annoying religious zealot who wouldn't shut up about sinners in a lake of fire bull****.

    But in the litigious age, faith in the lottery is great, but a scumbag lawyer is better in terms of $$ Payday. And the church who probably found the lawyer will take their cut.

    Folks, this is all about the $$$.

    People of faith who get along well with other employees, show up on time, work hard, AND don't shove their faith in peoples face, get promoted, not fired.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    All we're saying is it's against federal law to discriminate this way. If you have a problem with the law itself, that's not what this thread is about.
    There is no discimination here. That is what you arent getting. She is not being singled out or terminated because of her religious beliefs. Her religious beliefs forbid her from wearing a uniform that every employee of that particualr company must wear. There is a profound difference there that many are not seeing for some reason.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    There is no discimination here. That is what you arent getting. She is not being singled out or terminated because of her religious beliefs. Her religious beliefs forbid her from wearing a uniform that every employee of that particualr company must wear. There is a profound difference there that many are not seeing for some reason.
    We disagree, and you think we just don't understand.

    Lame.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    There is no discimination here. That is what you arent getting. She is not being singled out or terminated because of her religious beliefs. Her religious beliefs forbid her from wearing a uniform that every employee of that particualr company must wear. There is a profound difference there that many are not seeing for some reason.
    "Her religious beliefs forbid her from wearing a uniform that every employee of that particualr company must wear" That is the issue for which Title VII has been triggered and wearing her dress is a protected activity, i.e. "includes all aspects of religious observance and practice". This is why she was terminated.

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