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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I can't wate to see your link on that.
    I will look for one later. LOL!

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Stop talking like that. People will think you're a Liberal.

    A lot of people are under the mistaken impression that I am a conservative, because I am right-of-center on several issues that I am passionate about... but there is a reason why my "lean" says "Independent"... because that is exactly what I am. I stand where I stand and I don't depend on any party or ideology to tell me where that is.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I will look for one later. LOL!
    I'm one of those construction workers. Let me point you in the right direction: General requirements. - 1910.132

    Construction workers routinely wear no shirt at all. I personally proffer the muscle shirt over the wife-beater. The employer has a wide range of discretion when it comes to things like a shirt. Many require only a company polo, while many others allow no shirt at all.

    If a woman wanted to wear a skirt, there are certain jobs which she wouldn't be allowed to do because a skirt limits range-of-motion. These jobs would topically be things like framing where a lot of climbing is involved.

    To the best of my knowledge BK doesn't require climbing.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Don't like it, go to some other country to have your business.
    That is an odd thing for a soldier, supposedly in Afghanistan, to say about a free country. You understand your primary role is to protect the rights of the people, yes? Explain to me why I as an employer, must allow every backwards-ass religion to set the standards for my private business or go elsewhere. That is probably the most un-American, anti-liberty statement a person could make.

    There is no anti-Pentecostal bigotry going one here. What there is is an absurd, stone age religious belief clashing with modern free enterprise, human liberty and property rights. Where a person should come down on that dispute should be obvious. To argue that those who defend individual rights should head elsewhere speaks poorly of your perspective.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    So? Obviously the first EMPLOYEE who told her it was okay was mistaken. Mix-ups happen all the time.
    Do you understand what the term "interview" means, and its significance in this case. The employee spoke offically for the company and allowed a variation. Therefore the EEOC has a case.
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So none of the cashiers ever have to go through the kitchen?

    I once worked at a Mc'Donalds before, a company that is run basically the same as BK from what I can tell and it was common for an employee to be trained in several positions besides the primary one that they were hired for. My wife did work at a BK so comparing experiances has shown me that this is true.
    Women have been cooking in skirts for thousands of years. I worked at a burger place too, and the cashier did not regularly enter the kitchen. But you want to argue over mindless bull**** technicalities because you have no case, no actual knowledge of the matter and no clear premise to base your hyperbole on. The employee was officially hired under the allowance that she could wear a skirt. And she even showed up with the correct color. I doubt you'd be working so hard at this had a black muslim been the one wearing the skirt.
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    A lot of people are under the mistaken impression that I am a conservative, because I am right-of-center on several issues that I am passionate about... but there is a reason why my "lean" says "Independent"... because that is exactly what I am. I stand where I stand and I don't depend on any party or ideology to tell me where that is.
    Of course you do Goshin, don't pretend to be above the rest of us supposed idiots who have an ideology. I find that insulting.
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Of course you do Goshin, don't pretend to be above the rest of us supposed idiots who have an idiology. I find that insulting.

    I'm sorry you feel insulted, bud, but that isn't my fault if you chose to take it that way. I called no one an idiot and said nothing about being above anyone.

    What I said was that I am what I am and I stand where I stand. I am not married to conservatism or liberalism or any other "ism" necessarily. If you choose to find that insulting I choose to find your response baffling.

    I've said before that I am a mostly-right-leaning centrist who tends not to believe that extremes of any sort result in generally positive outcomes. If in doubt, I tend to favor individual rights over collective or group interests. If you want to say I have an ideology, well there it is.
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Women have been cooking in skirts for thousands of years. I worked at a burger place too, and the cashier did not regularly enter the kitchen. But you want to argue over mindless bull**** technicalities because you have no case, no actual knowledge of the matter and no clear premise to base your hyperbole on. The employee was officially hired under the allowance that she could wear a skirt. And she even showed up with the correct color. I doubt you'd be working so hard at this had a black muslim been the one wearing the skirt.
    That is the employees contention, but we have no way of knowing whether or not that was true. Personally, I find it hard to believe that a manager in charge of hiring people would be confused about uniform policy, but BK hasnt figured out how to serve a hot hamburger so anything is possible. But the main point here is whether or not a company has the right to institute its own dress code. Or whether it must accommodate every nonsensical religious belief any prospective employee walks through the door with. Requiring women to wear pants while working is not an unusual requirement. Women wear pants all the time--womens pants. So if this girl has some moronic objection to wearing mens pants, she can wear womens pants.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    That is an odd thing for a soldier, supposedly in Afghanistan, to say about a free country.
    I'm arguing that employers should make reasonable accommodation for religious practices, and you think this is unusual for a US soldier to say?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    You understand your primary role is to protect the rights of the people, yes?
    Interesting that you mention that, because I use a gun while performing that roll and private business owners don't want me carrying a gun, either. I can sport a loaded belt-fed weapon everywhere I go but the shower for an entire year, but as soon as I'm in your precious little hut oh noes I'm a hazard!

    What a total load of bull****! If anything, I should be given some kind of special license to own and carry any kind of fully automatic weapon since I actually have documented structured training and experience with them.

    News-flash: If I had criminal intent I wouldn't need to enter your business at all because your office is within effective range of my AR if not my SpringfieldXD. Your cute little policy won't save you from a damn thing.

    Explain to me why I as an employer, must allow every backwards-ass religion to set the standards for my private business or go elsewhere. That is probably the most un-American, anti-liberty statement a person could make.
    Certainly:
    If you fire an employee just because they have brown eyes, is a woman, or is a Muslim, they are going to win a wrongful-termination claim against you and draw unemployment off of you:
    Wrongful Termination of At Will Employment

    The Civil Rights Act in 1964 extended anti-discrimination protections to employees, whose employment could no longer be terminated for reasons such as their race, gender, skin color, religion, or national origin. Additional legal protections now exist to deter certain forms of age discrimination. Following the creation of these anti-discrimination laws, it became possible for employees to argue that their terminations were "pretextual" - that is, although their employers were citing lawful reasons to terminate their employment, their employers were actually motivated by unlawful discriminatory motives.

    ~snip~

    Some states will permit an "at will" employee to bring a lawsuit on the basis that the employer violated an implied covenant of "good faith and fair dealing" in association with the termination decision. In such states, even with an at-will employee, the employer must extend some degree of fairness in the decision to terminate employment.
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    If you remove a customer just because they have brown eyes, is a woman, or is a Muslim, you will be cited by the State for braking Public Accommodation codes.

    For example:
    South Dakota Code 20-13-23

    20-13-23. Public accommodations--Unfair or discriminatory practices. It shall be an unfair or discriminatory practice for any person engaged in the provision of public accommodations because of race, color, creed, religion, sex, ancestry, disability, or national origin, to fail or refuse to provide to any person access to the use of and benefit from the services and facilities of such public accommodations; or to accord adverse, unlawful, or unequal treatment to any person with respect to the availability of such services and facilities, the price or other consideration therefor, the scope and equality thereof, or the terms and conditions under which the same are made available, including terms and conditions relating to credit, payment, warranties, delivery, installation, and repair.
    When you open your business to the public, you have to conduct 'fair and equal treatment' to each person who voluntarily walks through your door. You cannot deny access to your business just because a customer is one of these protected classes. You cannot refuse to sell to a customer just because the customer belongs to one of these classes.
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