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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    I have posted and directed you to the EEOC press release outlining their position in addition to the lawsuit and it's language in response to your position previously. Kindly review these documents, should you wish to discuss these issues further. Moreover, the rewording of your issue is incorrect. The women does not think her religion supersedes a private dress code/company policy. That policy must fall in line with what BK agreed to when they decided to hire the requisite number of employees and engage in activities described in "TITLE 42 - THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND WELFARE, CHAPTER 21 - CIVIL RIGHTS, SUBCHAPTER VI - EQUAL EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES.
    And I've asked before...does that guy have the right to supercede the companies rules? Or am I reading your post incorrectly?

    And no, my wording is entirely correct. Otherwise why would the girl try and get a job at a place she KNEW had a dress code that did not coincide with her religious beliefs?
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    There is nothing wrong with "these" people. "These" people are you and me and anyone who is in the work force in the US and this is not just about religion, but, a variety of categories and protected classes. Just because one is paying a wage it does not give them "carte blanche" to run rough shod over their employees rights. The employer is running a business in the US which has various laws which the employer must follow. Should the employer wish to have implement their own internal rules they cannot run counter to laws which are promulgated to protect the rights of those that are employed, patronize, or use the goods and services regarding that business.
    A person has a right to follow whatever religion they wish. They do not have the right to have others follow that belief or force them to adhere to their beliefs. No matter what some law says.
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    I really don't believe that Burger King is actively discriminating against this woman's religion. I think they are trying to be practical, and that this is not a personal attack against this woman's beliefs in any way. I don't agree that it is a case of religious discrimination at all.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Yes, but we have to be reasonable. Employers cannot be expected to accommodate everyone's religious beliefs. That is unreasonable. This is just another reason why I can support separation of church and state (although I think people get way too carried out with that sometimes too).

    BK will have their opportunity to show whether it is reasonable or not. As a individual I can understand why some one may view this as unreasonable, but, that is not the law. "The employee should prevail as a matter of law unless BK "demonstrates that they are unable to reasonably accommodate to an employee’s or prospective employee’s religious observance or practice without undue hardship on the conduct of the employer’s business."( see posts 63, 172, 252)

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I am - not - religious. I don't honestly give two ****s what religion it is. Burger King has rules for its employees. She doesn't have to work there if she doesn't like their rules.
    It's funny to see you make an argument like this. I assume you feel the same way when people whine about businesses not treating their workers well enough or fairly or whatever. Who knew you were so pro big business.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    The transcript of what?
    Just pointing out that your claim was baseless, just like this idea that employers have 100% total control of their workplace.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    A person has a right to follow whatever religion they wish. They do not have the right to have others follow that belief or force them to adhere to their beliefs. No matter what some law says.
    Then work for an entity that is not required to follow Title VII. There are many out there.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    BK will have their opportunity to show whether it is reasonable or not. As a individual I can understand why some one may view this as unreasonable, but, that is not the law. "The employee should prevail as a matter of law unless BK "demonstrates that they are unable to reasonably accommodate to an employee’s or prospective employee’s religious observance or practice without undue hardship on the conduct of the employer’s business."( see posts 63, 172, 252)
    I think BK could easily claim that is for her own safety. There is hot grease, slippery floors, and probably a whole bunch of other things that I'm not aware of because I've never worked there.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    And I've asked before...does that guy have the right to supercede the companies rules? Or am I reading your post incorrectly?

    And no, my wording is entirely correct. Otherwise why would the girl try and get a job at a place she KNEW had a dress code that did not coincide with her religious beliefs?
    The condition precedent to the girl filing is whether the company needed to follow Title VII, if so what procedures do they have in place. Then when the girl's issue became apparent whether they followed those protocols.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Just pointing out that your claim was baseless, just like this idea that employers have 100% total control of their workplace.
    But as I just showed it obviously was not baseless.

    But you are right in that companies do not have 100% control over thier workplace. But on the issue of determining what should and shouldn't be worn by thier employee's they should definitely have 100% control.
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