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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So you don't see the difference between...

    40hr workweek
    Child labor laws
    Sexual harassment
    OSHA

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    Demanding an employer accomodate some religions dress code?
    Employers have to accommodate the Hajib, so why not a skirt? How is the employer harmed?

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    no it wasn't and largely no they didn't. in fact, the higher wages of the 1930's is one of the reasons we had such higher unemployment.



    slaves can't leave. employers should be as free to fire for any reason as employees are free to quit. that's called free trade.

    it's also called kiss the boss' ass or he can fire you for nothing. I live in a "right to work state" so I know firsthand. An employer can typically fire an employee and not suffer any great or lasting financial harm... but when an employee is fired they typically just lost most or ALL of their income, they may or may not be able find another job or draw unemployment, so they might lose their house, their transportation...

    The employer->employee relationship is one where the EMPLOYER has almost all the power... it HAS to be regulated to prevent abuse by the more powerful entity in the relationship.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    This story is such bull**** on both sides.

    You don't sue because a given place won't let you wear a skirt, and the business could very, very easily just allow long black skirts.
    i absolutely agree with this. No reason they couldnt. But they should not be legally obligated. Thats where the problem is
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    They have a right not to be discriminated against in hiring because of their religion.
    Because of thier religion you are right. But one can discriminate against the type of clothing worn regardless of the reasons that the person claims is the reason that they want to wear that clothing. And it is plain as day that she was fired because the orientation instructor did not want her to wear a dress and at first had no clue that she wore one because of religious reasons.
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So you don't see the difference between...

    40hr workweek
    Child labor laws
    Sexual harassment
    OSHA

    and

    Demanding an employer accomodate some religions dress code?
    If the religious dress code is something that, to the person involved is SO IMPORTANT that, in their mind it is something they are not allowed to compromise on, and it will not adversely effect their ability to perform the job or the jobsites ability to function, then yes it should be accomodated if possible.

    This is a trivial accomodation. Trivial.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    I have set forth the law in a previous post
    As an aside, I find this whole argument somewhat ironic. Places of worship and in some cases organizations functioning under the auspices of recognized religions are exempt from civil rights laws such as the Americans With Disabilities Act.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    It doesn't have to be all or nothing. It doens't have to be thrown out.

    Accomodation is allowing certain exceptions for certain specific and important reasons.
    First, it has to be an IMPORTANT reason... like "i have to wear a skirt for religious reasons"... OR "I can't wear the company shoes, I have to wear orthotic shoes because of a MEDICAL condition".
    Second, it has to be proveable... as in, check to see if her version of Pentecostal actually requires women to wear skirts on pain of severe judgement... yes.... check to see if the guy with the shoes has a doctor that will confirm he must wear his non-dress-code orthotic shoes for a medical condition...
    Thirdly, make it plain this is an allowed EXCEPTION to the general rules made for a specific reason, not a discarding of the rules and a free-for-all where everyone can claim "Arkvoozle came to me in a dream last night and told me I must always wear this fake orange hair, or the Illuminati will assassinate me" and similar bull****.
    which would almost make sense but to some (not me) religion is bull**** similar toarkvoozle telling you a hair color. how do you pick and choose which beliefs to honor?
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    If the religious dress code is something that, to the person involved is SO IMPORTANT that, in their mind it is something they are not allowed to compromise on, and it will not adversely effect their ability to perform the job or the jobsites ability to function, then yes it should be accomodated if possible.

    This is a trivial accomodation. Trivial.
    the cowboy hat and akvoozle's orange hair would be trivial as well.
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Employers have to accommodate the Hajib, so why not a skirt? How is the employer harmed?
    I haven't seen any court say that employers have to accomodate the Hajib. And if they have their dumb***** for saying so. In all the cases that I have seen regarding Hijab's the employers willingly cooperated with the person. Particularly after a media frenzy.
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    In my mind, she shouldn't have taken the job when she knew there was a dress code. Everyone knows that BK employees (all fast food chain employees, among many other employers) were uniforms. Now if she had a crucifix around her neck, and they told her she couldn't wear it, I think THAT would qualify as religious discrimination (unless she worked around some type of machinery that would make it dangerous), but a dress code a lot of times is for safety purposes. Certain clothing is not practical for some jobs. I really think some people just like to file law suits.

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