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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    The company's unwillingness to allow a MINOR variation that will make no functional difference to accomodate a religious belief that is extremely important to this woman, is shocking.

    Well not shocking... I've seen firsthand what douchebags employers can be especially in recent years. For frack's sake it's not like she's insisting on working naked in high heels to please the Almighty Zarquon or something.
    Though that should be respected and allowed, obviously.
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    i understand that there is no harm in it, but when we start letting religious practices dictate our businesses things are going to get ugly. It is not discrimination to require the same things for all employees. She was not discriminated against. That is equal. To give her special rights would be unfair to the next guy who wants to wear a cowboy hat instead of a baseball bk cap. That wouldnt hurt anything either. soon you'd have every employee with their own dress code and there is no need of that. BK management may be dicks, but they are not doing anything actually wrong......even morally. THis makes business sense.



    So you're saying you prefer to let businesses dictate to people over their individual conscience, even when accomodating them would do no harm... really?

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Suppose their rules included sucking the boss' dick once a week?

    Just because it is their company does not mean they get to dictate everything their way. People have rights and they don't give them up just to be employed.
    That is absurd and I will not treat it as serious.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Political correctness will be the ruin of this world.

    Sad but true.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    This is mostly on the hiring manager that told the girl she'd be accommodated. Had she said before the girl was hired that policy dictated that all employees wear the uniform (keeping in mind that image and presentation can make or break a customer service experience), and that she'd have to comply with that policy if she wanted to work, I'd be fully behind the employer. There's a big difference between a dress code and a uniform, in my mind. If employees adhere to a dress code, then uniformity isn't valued and wearing something out of the ordinary for religious purposes isn't a big deal. With a uniform, the whole point is that everyone looks the same. Allowing breach of the uniform defeats the purpose of a uniform.
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I dont think we really know that. She is claiming that. I think we can all agree that people will fabricate in order to win. (either side)

    According to an investigation by the EEOC which forms the basis for suit that is exactly what occurred. (see below)

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    I side with the employee here.

    BK expressly set forth the dress code...Bk allowed the employee to dress in a manner that would respect the employee's religion. There was never a problem regarding this during the hiring process. The prospective employee fully informed BK that she would need to dress in a manner which respected her religious beliefs. BK agreed to this.

    It was after the girl was hired that BK changed their position and thereby acted in a manner which speak to religious discrimination. The employee attempted to contact the various managers and her phone calls were never returned.

    The following is a press release from the EEOC in this matter.

    Grand Prairie Burger King Franchisee Sued by EEOC for Religious Discrimination
    Teen Employee Fired for Refusing to Comply with Company Dress Code, Federal Agency Charges

    DALLAS – Fries Restaurant Management, LLC, the owners / operators of a Grand Prairie, Texas Burger King, violated federal law by firing a cashier on her first day of work because of her religion, Christian Pentecostal, the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) charged in a lawsuit it filed today.

    According to the EEOC’s lawsuit, (Civil Action No. 3:12-cv-03169-M), filed in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas, Ashanti McShan, a member of the Pentecostal Church, adheres to an interpretation of the scripture about the wearing of clothing that is befitting of specific gender. She informed the company of this aspect of her faith during the job interview, and was told that she could work in a skirt instead of the Burger King uniform pants. However, the EEOC said, when Ms. McShan arrived at orientation, she was told by store management that her skirt was an unacceptable alternative and subsequently sent home. McShan’s calls to higher management went unreturned and she was never asked to return to work, the EEOC said.

    Such alleged conduct violates Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which prohibits religious discrimination in the workplace. The EEOC filed suit after first attempting to reach a pre-litigation settlement through its conciliation process. The EEOC seeks back pay, compensatory and punitive damages, and injunctive relief to ensure that no further discrimination takes place.

    “Accommodating Ms. McShan’s religious beliefs would have been simple and cost the company nothing,” said EEOC Trial Attorney Meaghan Shepard. “Management’s failure to comply with federal law deprived this teenage girl of the opportunity to work during her senior year of high school.”

    Regional Attorney Robert A. Canino of the EEOC’s Dallas District Office added, “We haven’t come far enough in our respect of religious liberties at the workplace if we have employers saying that uniform policies trump a religious observance without articulation of any hardship posed by letting an employee ‘hold the pickles’ and ‘hold the lettuce’ while wearing a skirt.”

    In fiscal year 2011, more than 4,000 charges of religious discrimination were filed with the EEOC nationwide.

    Grand Prairie Burger King Franchisee Sued by EEOC for Religious Discrimination

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    So you're saying you prefer to let businesses dictate to people over their individual conscience, even when accomodating them would do no harm... really?
    I think that there could be a harm. This sets a dangerous precedent like I stated above. You start making exceptions and other will want to be accomodated. This type of thing cannot end well. Religion and spirituality are both very important. But it has no place in the business world (or politics for that matter). But when you allow people to dictate your business or policies because of their beliefs you will lose control. `

    People have choices. If BK has a dress code, and her religion forbids it, she needs to seek employment elsewhere.
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    According to an investigation by the EEOC which forms the basis for suit that is exactly what occurred. (see below)
    You do realize the EEOC is not a court of law and they are acting based on what this woman has told them right?
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That is absurd and I will not treat it as serious.



    It is not absurd, it is relevant. We have these things called LAWS and REGULATIONS that put limits on just how much employers may dictate to employees, and how employers may treat employees, and where the limits are.

    Perhaps you've heard of some of them? They include the following...
    40 hour work week and overtime laws
    child labor laws
    OSHA safety regulations
    Sexual harassment laws

    .... back in the "good old days" there were many workers who died for lack of safety enforcement at factories... hence, OSHA. There were once six year old children working in factories among dangerous machinery... we (government, society) put a stop to that. There were bosses who insisted on sexual favors from female employees if they wanted to keep working or get more money... that's WHY we have sexual harassment in the workplace laws.

    If we didn't put LIMITS on how businesses can treat their employees, then yeah you might have to suck the boss' dick to keep your job... just as some women were pressured to do back before we made sexual harassment in the workplace illegal.

    Here's another law we have on the books.... employers are legally required to make reasonable accomodations for religious beliefs, as much as possible where it will not have a major affect of the company's functionality.

    This is clearly such a case.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I think that there could be a harm. This sets a dangerous precedent like I stated above. You start making exceptions and other will want to be accomodated. This type of thing cannot end well. Religion and spirituality are both very important. But it has no place in the business world (or politics for that matter). But when you allow people to dictate your business or policies because of their beliefs you will lose control. `

    People have choices. If BK has a dress code, and her religion forbids it, she needs to seek employment elsewhere.

    And if no employer would accomodate her then I guess you'd say she is free to starve to death then?

    Jobs don't fall off trees like apples these days.

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