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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by 00timh View Post
    No they are not over reacting. I ya want to work at a burger king this is the uniform you wear, and its pants. There are plenty of things I wish I could say or do that I do not because I work with the developmentally disabled.

    We have choices to make based on our employment. If YOU want to work at their establishment than YOU will dress accordingly, or go work somewhere else, and wear your skirt or whatever.

    Let her have the skirt and everyone else will say I want my nose ring, want my gauges. Burger King should reserve the right to have its employees dress and look the way they wish. If someone dsagrees don't f-ing work there. There are plenty of people who are looking for work who care far more about the money than what they look like while they are working.

    Again... there is no reasonable justification for a business refusing to make MINOR accomodations to dress code for the sake of deeply held religious beliefs that will not impede someone's ability to do their job.


    There's no reason to refuse a Jew the right to wear a yamulka if it won't impair his ability to work safety.

    There's no reason to deny a Penecostal woman the right to wear a long skirt if it won't impair her ability to work safely.


    No reason at all.... other than just hateful dick-ishness.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    There was no rational reason for BK to not let her wear the skirt, and the manager said she could wear it. BK was in the wrong here, and they are just being dicks, period.
    There's no rational reason to want to work at a place that you know will require you to dress a certain way either.
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Again... there is no reasonable justification for a business refusing to make MINOR accomodations to dress code for the sake of deeply held religious beliefs that will not impede someone's ability to do their job.


    There's no reason to refuse a Jew the right to wear a yamulka if it won't impair his ability to work safety.

    There's no reason to deny a Penecostal woman the right to wear a long skirt if it won't impair her ability to work safely.


    No reason at all.... other than just hateful dick-ishness.
    This, even if it is the companies right to do so(which I'm not entirely sure it is), there is no question that they are in the wrong morally. That they are being douchebags, and this is coming from someone that the individual belief in question is silly, stupid, and just has nothing to do with morality in general.
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You're confusing me woman! Why wouldn't it be permissible for her to work there?
    LOL - sorry, I'm just analyzing my church-upbringing with her church-existence and seeing differences. LOL
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    There's no rational reason to want to work at a place that you know will require you to dress a certain way either.
    She addressed that in the interview, and the manager said it was okay. What else was she supposed to do?
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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    There's no rational reason to want to work at a place that you know will require you to dress a certain way either.

    She says the interviewer told her she could wear the skirt.

    Verbal contract.



    Dude, think about it... employers can be damn near as oppressive as any dictatorial government. The dictator has you in his palm because he has the Secret Police and all that crap... the EMPLOYER has you by the purse strings, by the way you make your living and pay your bills and support your family. The economy is bad and jobs are hard to come by.... and let me tell ya, lots of employers are seizing this opportunity to squeeze their employees as hard as they can, and pile as much stupid control-freak **** on them as they can get away with.... and that is a LOT because so many people are desperate to keep their jobs.

    If you're for freedom, you need to recognize that we need to prevent ALL big orgs from abusing the individual needlessly, whether those orgs are governmental or corporate.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    The rational reason is that it violated company policy. She shouldnt be allowed to force a business to change their policies because of her beliefs. I would agree that it would be no real harm in letting her wear the skirt, but also no real harm in allowing people to wear their street clothes at work, or a number of other things. They have a written policy stating their dress code. I dont see where they put anything in writing allowing her the exception. We dont even know they actually even said she could wear it, and even if they did they have the right to enforce the policy. Dicks or not, they have that right and they are not discriminating against her religion. She is trying to force it on them..
    Pretty much. You go on their property, you take one of their jobs, you play by their rules and that usually includes a dress code of some sort. I guess a dress code is shocking to some people though.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    This, even if it is the companies right to do so(which I'm not entirely sure it is), there is no question that they are in the wrong morally. That they are being douchebags, and this is coming from someone that the individual belief in question is silly, stupid, and just has nothing to do with morality in general.

    I don't agree with the Pentecostals on the whole skirts vs pants things either... but it matters a lot to this woman and I don't see any harm in it, so I agree BK is just being a corporate douche about it.


    A lot of employers are being FAR more dictatorial towards employees in recent years than was the case when the economy was booming.... because they CAN, since most people are desperate to keep their jobs. Back when unemployement fell below 4% and employers were DESPERATE to fill positions with warm bodies, THEY were a lot more accomodating and open handed towards individual employees... now it is squeeze-the-turnip time.

    They're dicks.

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    I side with the employee here.

    BK expressly set forth the dress code...Bk allowed the employee to dress in a manner that would respect the employee's religion. There was never a problem regarding this during the hiring process. The prospective employee fully informed BK that she would need to dress in a manner which respected her religious beliefs. BK agreed to this.

    It was after the girl was hired that BK changed their position and thereby acted in a manner which speak to religious discrimination. The employee attempted to contact the various managers and her phone calls were never returned.

    The following is a press release from the EEOC in this matter.

    Grand Prairie Burger King Franchisee Sued by EEOC for Religious Discrimination
    Teen Employee Fired for Refusing to Comply with Company Dress Code, Federal Agency Charges

    DALLAS – Fries Restaurant Management, LLC, the owners / operators of a Grand Prairie, Texas Burger King, violated federal law by firing a cashier on her first day of work because of her religion, Christian Pentecostal, the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) charged in a lawsuit it filed today.

    According to the EEOC’s lawsuit, (Civil Action No. 3:12-cv-03169-M), filed in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas, Ashanti McShan, a member of the Pentecostal Church, adheres to an interpretation of the scripture about the wearing of clothing that is befitting of specific gender. She informed the company of this aspect of her faith during the job interview, and was told that she could work in a skirt instead of the Burger King uniform pants. However, the EEOC said, when Ms. McShan arrived at orientation, she was told by store management that her skirt was an unacceptable alternative and subsequently sent home. McShan’s calls to higher management went unreturned and she was never asked to return to work, the EEOC said.

    Such alleged conduct violates Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which prohibits religious discrimination in the workplace. The EEOC filed suit after first attempting to reach a pre-litigation settlement through its conciliation process. The EEOC seeks back pay, compensatory and punitive damages, and injunctive relief to ensure that no further discrimination takes place.

    “Accommodating Ms. McShan’s religious beliefs would have been simple and cost the company nothing,” said EEOC Trial Attorney Meaghan Shepard. “Management’s failure to comply with federal law deprived this teenage girl of the opportunity to work during her senior year of high school.”

    Regional Attorney Robert A. Canino of the EEOC’s Dallas District Office added, “We haven’t come far enough in our respect of religious liberties at the workplace if we have employers saying that uniform policies trump a religious observance without articulation of any hardship posed by letting an employee ‘hold the pickles’ and ‘hold the lettuce’ while wearing a skirt.”

    In fiscal year 2011, more than 4,000 charges of religious discrimination were filed with the EEOC nationwide.
    Grand Prairie Burger King Franchisee Sued by EEOC for Religious Discrimination

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    Re: Christian Woman Fired from Burger King for Wearing Skirt Instead of Pants

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Apparently, the EEOC is suing because the employer failed to make accomodations for her religious beliefs. Here's a couple of excerpts from the filing:
    Risky Disclaimer: My personal lawyer experience is limited to divorce. I don't want to mislead anyone into thinking I know what I'm talking about, as if I were some legal sumbitch. Is "legal sumbitch" one word? Should be.

    IMHO the issue will be whether the lady was informed or not prior to employment. How do they determine a he said/she said? I have no idea.

    As far as I am concerned, the only people with rock solid credentials in solving a he said/she said arguments are moms. Somehow moms know that ****. My mom could cut through that sort of thing with my brothers and me in a second. Same with my ex-wife and my kids.

    I do have experience with EEOC due to a guy I once had to fire. Long story. I liked the guy. His brother was a legalsumbitch and advised my former employee to file with EEOC. The guy lost. It was a rotten experience for all involved. Even I knew the complaint had zero chance.

    Just because EEOC accepts the complaint doesn't mean it is going anywhere. I can't imagine that BK hasn't been down this road before. Of course we don't know if the store in question was corporate or franchised and we don't know the legal support, yada yada, BK would provide a franchisee in this situation.

    It will be interesting if we ever hear how the complaint is resolved, as apparently nothing involving the employee's attire and BK's dress code was put in writing.
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