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So what? The fact they treat prisoners humanely is a good thing, not a fault.
Locking inmates in real prison cells is not treating prisoners inhumanely.Prison inmates are not supposed to be put in college dormitories and military barracks. Giving prison inmates cozy comfortable dorms, horseback riding and other luxuries is not prison, its just a kick in the teeth to the victims and their loved ones.
 
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So what? The fact they treat prisoners humanely is a good thing, not a fault.
Locking inmates in real prison cells is not treating prisoners inhumanely. Giving prison inmates cozy comfortable dorms, horseback riding and other luxuries is not prison, its just a kick in the teeth to the victims and their loved ones.
 
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What a load of scumbag sympathizer hogwash. The death penalty is an appropriate punishment for someone who intentionally planned and murdered someone,especially someone who planned and murdered 77 someones and is not the least bit sorry for it other than the fact he got caught.

Obviously, we disagree about the value of human life.

Breivik's intention was to spread hatred, and real strength is not to give in to it. If we answered his hatred with more hatred, he would have won.

Unlike you, I don't believe revenge liberates. Revenge never liberates. To maintain one's humanity in the face of evil liberates and is a sign of strength and true heroism.
 
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Well, as was explained many times before, he'll probably not got out after 21 years.

And its been explained numerous times that he will be let out in 10-21 years if he is deemed no longer a threat to anyone.The fact he murdered 77 innocent people is irrelevant to Norway's justice system.




A prison is always a prison. What hurts most is being deprived of one's freedom.

Yeah I am so sure he is going to be missing that freedom while horseback riding, watching tv and other luxuries.

And the main goal is to protect society from this criminal, which is taken care of.

The main goal of the justice system is to right wrongs and punish the offender.
 
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That's pretty ignorant. I guess if you support any sort of incarceration you enjoy depriving people of their liberties and caging them like animals.

I disagree with caging people like animals in prisons.

A legal system's first responsibility is protect society from criminals. Locking them away is often necessary to do that, but killing them is not. That's the difference.
 
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Obviously, we disagree about the value of human life.

Breivik's intention was to spread hatred, and real strength is not to give in to it. If we answered his hatred with more hatred, he would have won.

Unlike you, I don't believe revenge liberates. Revenge never liberates. To maintain one's humanity in the face of evil liberates and is a sign of strength and true heroism.

Again more scumbag sympathizer nonsense.What kind of garbage have they been shoving down your throats in Europe for you to actually believe that drivel? Adequately punishing a criminal with life sentences or the death penalty for murder is not inhumane, it does not bring us down to the level of the criminal nor does it make us like some middle eastern country.
 
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And its been explained numerous times that he will be let out in 10-21 years if he is deemed no longer a threat to anyone.The fact he murdered 77 innocent people is irrelevant to Norway's justice system.

If he really changes and no longer poses a threat, where is the problem? He wouldn't be the same person anymore who committed these crimes. Just hypothetically speaking, of course -- because if he does not change, he will not be released.

The main goal of the justice system is to right wrongs and punish the offender.

There is no way to "right" mass murder. There is nothing that will ever bring Breivik's 77 victims back to life.

And revenge should have no place in the justice system, IMO.

As I said, I think believing that giving in to revenge liberates is BS. It only further burdens the soul of the one seeking revenge.
 
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Again more scumbag sympathizer nonsense.What kind of garbage have they been shoving down your throats in Europe for you to actually believe that drivel? Adequately punishing a criminal with life sentences or the death penalty for murder is not inhumane, it does not bring us down to the level of the criminal nor does it make us like some middle eastern country.

More sadistic fascist drivel.

If you don't like it, go to Iran. There, you will love it, because they have a legal system that exactly fits your sadistic mentality.
 
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If he really changes and no longer poses a threat, where is the problem? He wouldn't be the same person anymore who committed these crimes. Just hypothetically speaking, of course -- because if he does not change, he will not be released..
Whether or not he is the same person or not is irrelevant. He should either get the death penalty or never see the light of day outside a prison.
There is no way to "right" mass murder. There is nothing that will ever bring Breivik's 77 victims back to life.

He can be executed so that there is no possiblity that he can harm another person and that he will never be released..
And revenge should have no place in the justice system, IMO.
So you are saying screw the victims?
 
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More sadistic fascist drivel.

If you don't like it, go to Iran. There, you will love it, because they have a legal system that exactly fits your sadistic mentality.

Again you are just spewing scumbag sympathizer drivel. Murders should be locked up for life in a real prison cell or executed.Not be sent to live in what many people all over the world would consider a ****en resort.
 
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Whether or not he is the same person or not is irrelevant. He should either get the death penalty or never see the light of day outside a prison.

I tend to agree with the second part of your sentence. He should get a life sentence. And that's what he got. So where is the problem? Just that he gets parole hearings later, as other murderers too?

He can be executed so that there is no possiblity that he can harm another person and that he will never be released..

That's not necessary to make sure he cannot harm more people.

So you are saying screw the victims?

No. On the contrary.

I just don't believe that revenge will help to make the victims feel better on the long run.
 
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I disagree with caging people like animals in prisons.

A legal system's first responsibility is protect society from criminals. Locking them away is often necessary to do that, but killing them is not. That's the difference.

So if he were deemed no longer dangerous tomorrow and subsequently released, you'd have no problem with that? Punishment never enters the equation?
 
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So if he were deemed no longer dangerous tomorrow and subsequently released, you'd have no problem with that? Punishment never enters the equation?

Assuming he really is rehabilitated and has become an entirely different person, I'd have no problem with that. But I think this case is very unlikely when it comes to Breivik.

Punishment is important as deterrence, IMO. The punishment must be harsh enough to deter other potential criminals. So it has to "hurt", of course, to some extent.

But deterrence only works so much. I doubt death penalty had deterred someone like Breivik from committing his crimes.
 
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I tend to agree with the second part of your sentence. He should get a life sentence. And that's what he got. So where is the problem? Just that he gets parole hearings later, as other murderers too?
He did not get a life sentence. He got a 10-21 year prison sentence.That means if enough idiots deem him safe enough to be released he can be let out after only serving 10 years.

That's not necessary to make sure he cannot harm more people.
As long as he is alive he can harm a prison guard or some other prison staff and he can harm other inmates.

No. On the contrary.

Uttering "justice shouldn't be about revenge" says otherwise.Disregarding how the victims will feel says otherwise.
I just don't believe that revenge will help to make the victims feel better on the long run.

If some guy only got only 1.5 - 3.2 months for murdering one of your loved ones how would you feel? Not only that you got to pay for his dormitory,horseback riding and other luxuries, how would that make you feel? Most people would feel as though the government just installed toilet over their loved ones grave.
 
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Assuming he really is rehabilitated and has become an entirely different person, I'd have no problem with that. But I think this case is very unlikely when it comes to Breivik.

Punishment is important as deterrence, IMO. The punishment must be harsh enough to deter other potential criminals. So it has to "hurt", of course, to some extent.

But deterrence only works so much. I doubt death penalty had deterred someone like Breivik from committing his crimes.

There is no deterrence that will prevent someone from killing one person after another 77 times in succession. Nor will such an individual ever be capable of becoming a completely different person. Though I note a complete lack of empathy for the victims in your acceptance of his release if such a miracle were to happen.
 
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There is no deterrence that will prevent someone from killing one person after another 77 times in succession. Nor will such an individual ever be capable of becoming a completely different person. Though I note a complete lack of empathy for the victims in your acceptance of his release if such a miracle were to happen.

Its that lack of empathy for the victims why Breivik will be released.
 
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What makes you guys think the victims feel better when they give in to revenge?

Revenge destroys the soul of the one seeking revenge. It does not help the victims, but cripples them even further, by depriving them of their humanity, and Breivik would have won.

It has nothing to do with empathy. If I were in the position of the victims, I would probably be tempted to give in to revenge too. But I pray to God that I would be strong enough not to give in to it, because it would destroy me.
 
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It doesn't seem to me that you care about the victims at all. All you are looking for are excuses to wallow in sadistic fantasies of punishment, inflicting harm and killing people.
 
What makes you guys think the victims feel better when they give in to revenge?

Revenge destroys the soul of the one seeking revenge. It does not help the victims, but cripples them even further, by depriving them of their humanity, and Breivik would have won.

It has nothing to do with empathy. If I were in the position of the victims, I would probably be tempted to give in to revenge too. But I pray to God that I would be strong enough not to give in to it, because it would destroy me.

A declaration that it would destroy the "souls" of the affected does not make it so. Stop projecting.
 
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THis is what I like about my state.Some scumbag murders 77 people he will get the death penalty and there is no chance he will see the light of day outside of prison.Apparently Norwegians don't give a rats ass about the victims.

Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison | Fox News
OSLO, Norway – A Norwegian court sentenced Anders Behring Breivik to prison on Friday, denying prosecutors the insanity ruling they hoped would show that his massacre of 77 people was the work of a madman, not part of an anti-Muslim crusade.

Breivik smiled with apparent satisfaction when Judge Wenche Elisabeth Arntzen read the ruling, declaring him sane enough to be held criminally responsible and sentencing him to "preventive detention," which means it is unlikely he will ever be released.
The sentence brings a form of closure to Norway, which was shaken to its core by the bomb and gun attacks on July 22, 2011, because Breivik's lawyers said before the ruling that he would not appeal any ruling that did not declare him insane.
But it also means Breivik got what he wanted: a ruling that paints him as a political terrorist instead of a psychotic mass murderer. Since his arrest, Breivik has said the attacks were meant to draw attention to his extreme right-wing ideology and to inspire a multi-decade uprising by "militant nationalists" across Europe.
Prosecutors had argued Breivik was insane as he plotted his attacks to draw attention to a rambling "manifesto" that blamed Muslim immigration for the disintegration of European society.
Breivik argued that authorities were trying to cast him as sick to cast doubt on his political views, and said during the trial that being sent to an insane asylum would be the worst thing that could happen to him.
"He has always seen himself as sane so he isn't surprised by the ruling," Breivik's defense lawyer Geir Lippestad said.
The five-judge panel in the Oslo district court unanimously convicted Breivik, 33, of terrorism and premeditated murder and ordered him imprisoned for a period between 10 and 21 years, the maximum allowed under Norwegian law. Such sentences can be extended as long as an inmate is considered too dangerous to be released, and legal experts say Breivik will almost certainly spend the rest of his life in prison


To get an idea of what his prison cell will look like.
Fengselet kan gasse Breivik - nyheter - Dagbladet.no

I totally agree that this sentence doesn't not fit this case, this is an extraordinary circumstance. However Norway, like the United States, is a nation of laws and those laws must be followed surely you can agree upon that? Now if I was Norwegian I'd be calling for a change in the law to address the unique kind of crime that this attack was, however someone cannot be tried under a law that wasn't in place when they committed their act.

And ultimately its Norway's tragedy, its their person, the criminal is one of them, its their problem, let them deal with it how they think is best.
 
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I don't care to understand if this is the result of understanding.
 
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Who knows.I seriously doubt most of these countries with similar or lower incarceration rates to Norway coddle their inmates.So I imagine that many of those prisons are a lot stricter that ours.

List of countries by incarceration rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

country prisoners per 100,000
Greece 101
Iraq 101
Northern Ireland (UK) 99 I
Belgium 97
Paraguay 97
Ireland 95
Jordan 95
South Korea 94
Brunei 93
Madagascar 93
Uganda 92
Federated States of Micronesia 90
South Sudan 89
Angola 87
Netherlands 87
Ecuador 86
Tanzania 85
Germany 83
Egypt 81
Tuvalu 80
Guatemala 77
Switzerland 76
Vanuatu 76
Benin 75
Republika Srpska (Bosnia and Herzegovina) 75
Denmark 74
Andorra 73
Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina (Bosnia and Herzegovina) 73
Malawi 73
Norway 73
Monaco 70
Sweden 70
Laos 69
Djibouti 68
Marshall Islands 68
Mozambique 67
Kosovo 66
Slovenia 64
Afghanistan 62
Oman 61
Papua New Guinea 61
Senegal 60
Finland 59
Indonesia 59
Togo 59
Syria 58
Democratic Republic of Congo 57
Cote d'Ivoire 56
Ghana 56
Haiti 55
Japan 55
Mauritania 50
Solomon Islands 49
Yemen 48
Iceland 47
Gambia 45
Sudan 45
Niger 43
Bangladesh 42
Nepal 42
Qatar 41
Pakistan 40
Sierra Leone 39
Liberia 37
Chad 34
Mali 32
Burkina Faso 31
India 30
Nigeria 30
Central African Republic 29
Guinea 28
Congo 26
Faroe Islands (Denmark) 21
Timor-Leste 20
Comoros 19
Liechtenstein 19

What counts is not incarceration rate. It's RECIDIVISM RATE. Our system essentially turns petty criminals into hardened ones. That's a fact.
 
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What makes you guys think the victims feel better when they give in to revenge?

Revenge destroys the soul of the one seeking revenge. It does not help the victims, but cripples them even further, by depriving them of their humanity, and Breivik would have won.

It has nothing to do with empathy. If I were in the position of the victims, I would probably be tempted to give in to revenge too. But I pray to God that I would be strong enough not to give in to it, because it would destroy me.

If some guy only got only 1.5 - 3.2 months for murdering one of your loved ones how would you feel? Not only that you had to pay for his dormitory,horseback riding and other luxuries, how would that make you feel? Most people who actually cared about their loved ones would feel as though the government just installed toilet over their loved ones grave.
 
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A declaration that it would destroy the "souls" of the affected does not make it so. Stop projecting.
A declaration does not, but psychology research certain supports the argument.

"Rather than providing closure, it does the opposite: It keeps the wound open and fresh," he says.

Revenge and the people who seek it

Now where is your evidence?
 
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