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Hatuey said:
In this thread, like in your comments about gender identity, you prove once again that you have no informed idea about how psychology works. I'll give you a clue - the kind of scenario you're claiming will happen only actually happens in movies​ and the 1980s.
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Breivik has at least 10 to make it look like he has changed his act before he is eligible to be released.Breivik is not crazy so I am pretty sure he can keep his emotions,how he behaves and what says in check.
 
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jamesrage said:
Breivik has at least 10 to make it look like he has changed his act before he is eligible to be released.Breivik is not crazy so I am pretty sure he can keep his emotions,how he behaves and what says in check.
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but he will never be released they wont allow it. The guy killed 77 pople do you really think Norway is just going to let him walk? Your underestimating Norway and judging them on a legal system you dont really understand.
 
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Higgins86 said:
speculation and lets be honest neither of us know anything about Norway's legal system so lets not pretend like we do.
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It is not speculation.A country that actually cares about the victims does not coddle inmates, does not create a 21 year max sentence, and does not release inmates based purely on the inmate no longer being deemed a threat.
 
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jamesrage said:
It is not speculation.A country that actually cares about the victims does not coddle inmates, does not create a 21 year max sentence, and does not release inmates based purely on the inmate no longer being deemed a threat.
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"preventive detention," which means it is unlikely he will ever be released.

read between the lines mate, he wont get out
 
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Higgins86 said:
but he will never be released they wont allow it.The guy killed 77 pople do you really think Norway is just going to let him walk? Your underestimating Norway and judging them on a legal system you dont really understand.
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Norway's justice system is not based on punishment, revenge or concern about the victim.Its based on 'reforming' the inmate and releasing the inmate once he is deemed no longer a threat. That means it doesn't matter what crime the offender has committed or how many people the offender killed.
 
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jamesrage said:
Norway's justice system is not based on punishment, revenge or concern about the victim.Its based on 'reforming' the inmate and releasing the inmate once he is deemed no longer a threat. That means it doesn't matter what crime the offender has committed or how many people the offender killed.
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techincally every justice system is based on reform but obviously in extreme cases like this one some cases are beyond reform and do not deserve to be released. The public in Norway would go crazy if he was realeased which is why the guy will never be released. We can sit here and argue till we are blue in the face but the fact is he has a 21 year sentence and according to most legal experts will have that extended.
 
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jamesrage said:
I am sure that the 70-80(incarceration rate of 19-101) other countries with similar and lower incarceration rates than Norway don't coddle their inmates.
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Do they take pride in killing their citizens, locking them up forever for 3 strikes of car theft, all with the everpresent fantasy of sharing a cell with "bubba" the male rapist?
 
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While I find the Norwegian justice system to be too lax on crimes like this (personally, I think he should die for what he did), the results kind of speak for themselves. Their recidivism rate is MUCH lower than ours is, so they're doing something right. We could take some lessons from them on how we deal with prisoners I think.

I'd be very curious to know what the population of Norway thinks about it though. Do they think his sentence is justice for his crimes?
 
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Manc Skipper said:
Do they take pride in killing their citizens, locking them up forever for 3 strikes of car theft, all with the everpresent fantasy of sharing a cell with "bubba" the male rapist?
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Who knows.I seriously doubt most of these countries with similar or lower incarceration rates to Norway coddle their inmates.So I imagine that many of those prisons are a lot stricter that ours.

List of countries by incarceration rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

country prisoners per 100,000
Greece 101
Iraq 101
Northern Ireland (UK) 99 I
Belgium 97
Paraguay 97
Ireland 95
Jordan 95
South Korea 94
Brunei 93
Madagascar 93
Uganda 92
Federated States of Micronesia 90
South Sudan 89
Angola 87
Netherlands 87
Ecuador 86
Tanzania 85
Germany 83
Egypt 81
Tuvalu 80
Guatemala 77
Switzerland 76
Vanuatu 76
Benin 75
Republika Srpska (Bosnia and Herzegovina) 75
Denmark 74
Andorra 73
Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina (Bosnia and Herzegovina) 73
Malawi 73
Norway 73
Monaco 70
Sweden 70
Laos 69
Djibouti 68
Marshall Islands 68
Mozambique 67
Kosovo 66
Slovenia 64
Afghanistan 62
Oman 61
Papua New Guinea 61
Senegal 60
Finland 59
Indonesia 59
Togo 59
Syria 58
Democratic Republic of Congo 57
Cote d'Ivoire 56
Ghana 56
Haiti 55
Japan 55
Mauritania 50
Solomon Islands 49
Yemen 48
Iceland 47
Gambia 45
Sudan 45
Niger 43
Bangladesh 42
Nepal 42
Qatar 41
Pakistan 40
Sierra Leone 39
Liberia 37
Chad 34
Mali 32
Burkina Faso 31
India 30
Nigeria 30
Central African Republic 29
Guinea 28
Congo 26
Faroe Islands (Denmark) 21
Timor-Leste 20
Comoros 19
Liechtenstein 19
 
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Higgins86 said:
techincally every justice system is based on reform but obviously in extreme cases like this one some cases are beyond reform and do not deserve to be released. The public in Norway would go crazy if he was realeased which is why the guy will never be released. We can sit here and argue till we are blue in the face but the fact is he has a 21 year sentence and according to most legal experts will have that extended.
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Once he serves the minimum they will deem him safe to be released and no one in Norway will care except for the victims and Norway as a whole won't give a rats ass about the victims especially 10-21 years from now when the victims are long forgotten. Scumbag sympathizers here in the US don't give a rats ass about the victims, what makes you think they would in Norway. They utter stupid **** like "justice shouldn't be about revenge", and "justice shouldn't be about punishment"," keeping him in prison forever won't bring the victims back". You're telling me a country that thinks like that is going to keep Breivik in prison for the rest of his life?
 
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jamesrage said:
Revenge?Justice system is about righting wrongs and making sure the victims get justice.Ignoring that only ensures that people become satisfied with the justice system and start dispensing their own justice system. The justice system is not awe poor baby did you kill somebowdy?, let me give you some cozy comfortable digs for ten-twenty years and let you out when you deem you to be safe.
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Go look at the European forum if you want to be truly amazed. Not a single European poster has any problem with this sentence. Sympathy and understanding for the criminal is big in Europe.
 
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German guy said:
I'm glad this sick mass murderer gets a harsh punishment.

He's a good example the anti-Muslim hate preachers and bigots are not really better than those they hate, and that their mindset will inevitably lead to violence and murder.
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Harsh punishment for murdering 77 people is 10-21 years in prison? Then harsh punishment for murdering one is what - three months probation?
 
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PeteEU said:
Me smug HAHA that is a good one. It is you and your fellow conservative Americans that are being critical of the Norwegian legal system just because they dont go around executing left and right. If anyone is smug it is you.
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All this guy did was stab his brother to death. However, it was OK because he was having a 'psychotic episode'. Of course this is Denmark, another one of those progressive legal systems. Less than a year in prison.

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Wiggen said:
Go look at the European forum if you want to be truly amazed. Not a single European poster has any problem with this sentence. Sympathy and understanding for the criminal is big in Europe.
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This is why I laugh when someone says he will never get out.They don't give two ****s about the victims and their justice system is set up to not give two ****s about the victim, just look at their prisons.


Prisons like these are a kick in the crotch to victims and their loved ones.
Inside the World's Most Humane Prison - Photo Essays - TIME
Welcome to the world's nicest prison - CNN.com
Bastoy Prison Island - The Nicest Prison in the World | Oddity Central - Collecting Oddities
 
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I think these constant calls for harsher punishment and torture says a lot about those who advance them.

When it comes to the death penalty, it's pretty simple: Either you like the thought of killing people, then you support it. Or you hate the thought of killing people, then you are against it.

Leave revenge-based, sadistic punishment fantasies of "eye for an eye" to the legal system in Iran.
 
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Wiggen said:
Harsh punishment for murdering 77 people is 10-21 years in prison? Then harsh punishment for murdering one is what - three months probation?
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It is the highest possible punishment in Norway, so yes, it is harsh.

And can you even imagine how it is to spend two decades in prison? I don't think it's a cakewalk.
 
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It sure as hell beats being dead though, doesn't it? If you could ask the 77 people this animal butchered, I wonder what they'd choose.

And no, it is not harsh. It isn't even close to being harsh. I'm sure Norwegian prisons are real 'hellholes', given the draconian sentence this guy got. (Note, this last sentence is sarcasm. I need to explain that for you folks who actually think that way).
 
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Wiggen said:
It sure as hell beats being dead though, doesn't it? If you could ask the 77 people this animal butchered, I wonder what they'd choose.
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So two wrongs make a right?

And no, it is not harsh. It isn't even close to being harsh. I'm sure Norwegian prisons are real 'hellholes', given the draconian sentence this guy got. (Note, this last sentence is sarcasm. I need to explain that for you folks who actually think that way).
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Breivik murdered in cold blood because of hatred. Do you seriously suggest we should lower ourselves to the same level and do it as well?
 
German guy said:
I think these constant calls for harsher punishment and torture says a lot about those who advance them.

When it comes to the death penalty, it's pretty simple: Either you like the thought of killing people, then you support it. Or you hate the thought of killing people, then you are against it.

Leave revenge-based, sadistic punishment fantasies of "eye for an eye" to the legal system in Iran.
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That's pretty ignorant. I guess if you support any sort of incarceration you enjoy depriving people of their liberties and caging them like animals.
 
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German guy said:
It is the highest possible punishment in Norway, so yes, it is harsh.
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10-21 years in prison for murder is not hard let alone 77 people.

And can you even imagine how it is to spend two decades in prison? I don't think it's a cakewalk.
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Have you seen Norway's prison? There might be a sign somewhere but those are not prison cells, those are college dormitories or military barracks.
 
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Depriving people of their liberty is what imprisonment is for. It's an acceptable sanction to place on an individual who breaches society's rules. How the person is treated while incarcerated is a measure of that society's civilisation. Deprivation of a life is irreversible, and is not a function I would give to any society I was part of.
 
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jamesrage said:
10-21 years in prison for murder is not hard let alone 77 people.


Have you seen Norway's prison? There might be a sign somewhere but those are not prison cells, those are college dormitories or military barracks.
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So what? The fact they treat prisoners humanely is a good thing, not a fault.
 
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German guy said:
I think these constant calls for harsher punishment and torture says a lot about those who advance them.
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I don't anyone has said that the man be tortured. Being locked in a real prison cell in a real prison with little to no luxuries is not a form of torture. It is an appropriate punishment for someone who commuted a heinous act.

When it comes to the death penalty, it's pretty simple: Either you like the thought of killing people, then you support it. Or you hate the thought of killing people, then you are against it.

Leave revenge-based, sadistic punishment fantasies of "eye for an eye" to the legal system in Iran.
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What a load of scumbag sympathizer hogwash. The death penalty is an appropriate punishment for someone who intentionally planned and murdered someone,especially someone who planned and murdered 77 someones and is not the least bit sorry for it other than the fact he got caught.
 
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jamesrage said:
10-21 years in prison for murder is not hard let alone 77 people.
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Well, as was explained many times before, he'll probably not get out after 21 years.

Unless he has really become an entirely different person (which probably is unlikely, but you never know), in which case this would be a much larger victory for justice than any other punishment.

So I guess we just disagree. I think the maximum sentence possible is not too few.

You can argue that the Norwegian law did not foresee a crime of this magnitude, but that they don't change existing law just for Breivik is a sign of sovereignty and strength of the Norwegian society.

Have you seen Norway's prison? There might be a sign somewhere but those are not prison cells, those are college dormitories or military barracks.
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A prison is always a prison. What hurts most is being deprived of one's freedom.

And the main goal is to protect society from this criminal, which is taken care of.
 
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