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    Re: Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison Read more: http://ww

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    It is the highest possible punishment in Norway, so yes, it is harsh.

    10-21 years in prison for murder is not hard let alone 77 people.

    And can you even imagine how it is to spend two decades in prison? I don't think it's a cakewalk.
    Have you seen Norway's prison? There might be a sign somewhere but those are not prison cells, those are college dormitories or military barracks.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison Read more: http://ww

    Depriving people of their liberty is what imprisonment is for. It's an acceptable sanction to place on an individual who breaches society's rules. How the person is treated while incarcerated is a measure of that society's civilisation. Deprivation of a life is irreversible, and is not a function I would give to any society I was part of.
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    Re: Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison Read more: http://ww

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    10-21 years in prison for murder is not hard let alone 77 people.


    Have you seen Norway's prison? There might be a sign somewhere but those are not prison cells, those are college dormitories or military barracks.
    So what? The fact they treat prisoners humanely is a good thing, not a fault.
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    Re: Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison Read more: http://ww

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    I think these constant calls for harsher punishment and torture says a lot about those who advance them.
    I don't anyone has said that the man be tortured. Being locked in a real prison cell in a real prison with little to no luxuries is not a form of torture. It is an appropriate punishment for someone who commuted a heinous act.

    When it comes to the death penalty, it's pretty simple: Either you like the thought of killing people, then you support it. Or you hate the thought of killing people, then you are against it.

    Leave revenge-based, sadistic punishment fantasies of "eye for an eye" to the legal system in Iran.
    What a load of scumbag sympathizer hogwash. The death penalty is an appropriate punishment for someone who intentionally planned and murdered someone,especially someone who planned and murdered 77 someones and is not the least bit sorry for it other than the fact he got caught.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison Read more: http://ww

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    10-21 years in prison for murder is not hard let alone 77 people.
    Well, as was explained many times before, he'll probably not get out after 21 years.

    Unless he has really become an entirely different person (which probably is unlikely, but you never know), in which case this would be a much larger victory for justice than any other punishment.

    So I guess we just disagree. I think the maximum sentence possible is not too few.

    You can argue that the Norwegian law did not foresee a crime of this magnitude, but that they don't change existing law just for Breivik is a sign of sovereignty and strength of the Norwegian society.

    Have you seen Norway's prison? There might be a sign somewhere but those are not prison cells, those are college dormitories or military barracks.
    A prison is always a prison. What hurts most is being deprived of one's freedom.

    And the main goal is to protect society from this criminal, which is taken care of.
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    Re: Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison Read more: http://ww

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    So what? The fact they treat prisoners humanely is a good thing, not a fault.
    Locking inmates in real prison cells is not treating prisoners inhumanely.Prison inmates are not supposed to be put in college dormitories and military barracks. Giving prison inmates cozy comfortable dorms, horseback riding and other luxuries is not prison, its just a kick in the teeth to the victims and their loved ones.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison Read more: http://ww

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    So what? The fact they treat prisoners humanely is a good thing, not a fault.
    Locking inmates in real prison cells is not treating prisoners inhumanely. Giving prison inmates cozy comfortable dorms, horseback riding and other luxuries is not prison, its just a kick in the teeth to the victims and their loved ones.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison Read more: http://ww

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    What a load of scumbag sympathizer hogwash. The death penalty is an appropriate punishment for someone who intentionally planned and murdered someone,especially someone who planned and murdered 77 someones and is not the least bit sorry for it other than the fact he got caught.
    Obviously, we disagree about the value of human life.

    Breivik's intention was to spread hatred, and real strength is not to give in to it. If we answered his hatred with more hatred, he would have won.

    Unlike you, I don't believe revenge liberates. Revenge never liberates. To maintain one's humanity in the face of evil liberates and is a sign of strength and true heroism.
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    Re: Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison Read more: http://ww

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Well, as was explained many times before, he'll probably not got out after 21 years.
    And its been explained numerous times that he will be let out in 10-21 years if he is deemed no longer a threat to anyone.The fact he murdered 77 innocent people is irrelevant to Norway's justice system.




    A prison is always a prison. What hurts most is being deprived of one's freedom.
    Yeah I am so sure he is going to be missing that freedom while horseback riding, watching tv and other luxuries.

    And the main goal is to protect society from this criminal, which is taken care of.
    The main goal of the justice system is to right wrongs and punish the offender.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison Read more: http://ww

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    That's pretty ignorant. I guess if you support any sort of incarceration you enjoy depriving people of their liberties and caging them like animals.
    I disagree with caging people like animals in prisons.

    A legal system's first responsibility is protect society from criminals. Locking them away is often necessary to do that, but killing them is not. That's the difference.
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