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    Re: Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison Read more: http://ww

    The OP missed the parts of the story stating that his semtence could... And most certainly will... Be extended beyond the 21 years if he is considered dangerous. This will effectively be a life sentence, given his ongoing attitude.

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    Re: Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison Read more: http://ww

    Dont know why everyone is getting so worked up over this, the guy will be in prison for the next 21 years and then they will extend his sentence ( he will never leave prison). Couple of friends from Norway were so upset by this that it brought them to tears, this kind of thing just doesnt normally happen in a country like Norway and it was felt throughout the whole country. Too suggest that after 21 years norwegians will just let him go, give him a big hug and say " all is forgiven" shows a lack of respect for Norwegians and their legal system. But hey if by some miracle he is realeased after 21 years you can come back on here and say " I told you so" until then just chill out.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison Read more: http://ww

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    His death will also bring society no benefit... other than revenge, which is not a benefit in a civilized society. As for second chances... after being in jail for 40 to 50 years, and coming out as a 70+ year old.. his "second chances" are pretty much gone.
    That is assuming someone ten to fifty years from now doesn't deem him safe enough to be released.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison Read more: http://ww

    Quote Originally Posted by Sidestreamer View Post
    The OP missed the parts of the story stating that his semtence could... And most certainly will... Be extended beyond the 21 years if he is considered dangerous. This will effectively be a life sentence, given his ongoing attitude.
    Seeing how we are playing what if, What in ten years from now he claims to have changed his ways and convinced his quacks that he is no longer dangerous? He gets released is what will happen.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison Read more: http://ww

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Seeing how we are playing what if, What in ten years from now he claims to have changed his ways and convinced his quacks that he is no longer dangerous? He gets released is what will happen.
    no he wont, as I pointed all the pain of this event was felt across the whole of Norway and their is no way he will be allowed out. Again show Norway some respect and let them deal with it in their own way.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison Read more: http://ww

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    no he wont, as I pointed all the pain of this event was felt across the whole of Norway and their is no way he will be allowed out. Again show Norway some respect and let them deal with it in their own way.
    Norway is a country that doesn't give two ****s about the victims.Because Breivik will wise up,tell the quacks what they want to here,claimed to found Jesus or some other deity and all these scumbag sympathizers who are uttering the idiotic line "the justice system shouldn't be about revenge, the justice system shouldn't focus on punishment will argue that Breibik should be released.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison Read more: http://ww

    It's the difference between a total corrective approach to crime and punishment, and a retributive model with some sprinkling of corrections on top. As disgusted as I am with Breivik, and as uncomfortable as I am with his relatively (to what I'm used to) sentence, I still would contend that they have a better approach to crime and punishment. That is different than saying that their model is wholly correct, or that it isn't flawed, but I think the mindset is better. We have a natural inclination to seek retribution and 'justice' however we decide to define it for the victims. When it might be better to consider crime and punishment in terms of societal utility, and what approach leads to the greatest utility.

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    Re: Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison Read more: http://ww

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Norway is a country that doesn't give two ****s about the victims.Because Breivik will wise up,tell the quacks what they want to here,claimed to found Jesus or some other deity and all these scumbag sympathizers who are uttering the idiotic line "the justice system shouldn't be about revenge, the justice system shouldn't focus on punishment will argue that Breibik should be released.
    speculation and lets be honest neither of us know anything about Norway's legal system so lets not pretend like we do.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison Read more: http://ww

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Norway is a country that doesn't give two ****s about the victims.Because Breivik will wise up,tell the quacks what they want to here,claimed to found Jesus or some other deity and all these scumbag sympathizers who are uttering the idiotic line "the justice system shouldn't be about revenge, the justice system shouldn't focus on punishment will argue that Breibik should be released.
    In this thread, like in your comments about gender identity, you prove once again that you have no informed idea about how psychology works. I'll give you a clue - the kind of scenario you're claiming will happen only actually happens in movies​ and the 1980s.
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

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    Re: Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison Read more: http://ww

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Their society is a lot safer to live in than yours, they must be getting something right. How many mass shootings have they had? How much of their population is locked up? What percentage re-offend? Their penal system works for their society. Yours is plainly dysfunctional.
    I am sure that the 70-80(incarceration rate of 19-101) other countries with similar and lower incarceration rates than Norway don't coddle their inmates.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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