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    Re: Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison Read more: http://ww

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Norway gives slaps on the wrists to unrepentant murderers. I wouldn't be so smug if I were you.
    Me smug HAHA that is a good one. It is you and your fellow conservative Americans that are being critical of the Norwegian legal system just because they dont go around executing left and right. If anyone is smug it is you.
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    Re: Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison Read more: http://ww

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    In Norway, you can apparently be held for longer than your sentence if you are still deemed a threat to society.
    It is not only in Norway. Most of Scandinavia have the same thing.
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    Re: Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison Read more: http://ww

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    It is not only in Norway. Most of Scandinavia have the same thing.
    And I'll wager that, due to their different culture and such, they have FAR fewer criminals per capita, making such a system of individual evaluations FAR more cost effective and accurate, unlike our own. I wonder how many people Norway has had to let go, due to being found out to be completely innocent, years later...
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison Read more: http://ww

    The verdict was correct. There is no way this man was any more insane than any other political terrorist.

    The sentencing is a sham. Im not surprised a country that had seven murders a year would have such lax sentencing, but they need to relegislate so an individual like this is punished appropriately in the future. Long story short, this man should be dead.

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    Re: Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison Read more: http://ww

    Don't know how accurate it is, but somewhere I read that up to 4% of the US population are living in prisons. Imagine this drain on the economy, if these numbers are correct. I don't know if European models are suited for America's situation and mentality, but maybe some different kind of dealing with crime is a good idea.

    Constant calls for harsher punishments and "law and order" certainly won't solve anything. Deterrence only works so much.
    "Not learning from mistakes is worse than committing mistakes. When you don't allow yourself to make mistakes, it is hard to be tolerant of others and it does not allow even God to be merciful."

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    Re: Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison Read more: http://ww

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    The verdict was correct. There is no way this man was any more insane than any other political terrorist.

    The sentencing is a sham. Im not surprised a country that had seven murders a year would have such lax sentencing, but they need to relegislate so an individual like this is punished appropriately in the future. Long story short, this man should be dead.
    Why? They only have 7 murders per year. Seems to me, their system is working a LOT better than our own.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison Read more: http://ww

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Don't know how accurate it is, but somewhere I read that up to 4% of the US population are living in prisons. Imagine this drain on the economy, if these numbers are correct. I don't know if European models are suited for America's situation and mentality, but maybe some different kind of dealing with crime is a good idea.

    Constant calls for harsher punishments and "law and order" certainly won't solve anything. Deterrence only works so much.
    To some extent, our laws, law enforcement, and justice system, are more responsible for all of our "convicted criminals", than any crimes committed. However, to a larger extent, I have to blame american culture for this. And I think 4% is a low estimation.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison Read more: http://ww

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Why? They only have 7 murders per year. Seems to me, their system is working a LOT better than our own.
    Aside from the insane comparison of these two nations, deterrence has no place in my argument. He already killed 77 people, his rehabilitation will bring society no benefit. He destroyed too many peoples lives to be given second chances.

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    Re: Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison Read more: http://ww

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    And I'll wager that, due to their different culture and such, they have FAR fewer criminals per capita, making such a system of individual evaluations FAR more cost effective and accurate, unlike our own. I wonder how many people Norway has had to let go, due to being found out to be completely innocent, years later...
    Crime is all relative. A crime in one country is not a crime in another. Jaywalking is a crime in the US, but not in most of the rest of the world.

    The idea behind the evaluation system is a good one. It can prevent unstable people from being released despite having served their term and it has in quite a few cases done so, in both Norway and Denmark and Sweden. It also means that the case is constantly being revisited, and if they do find out .. hey this guy is actually innocent, then they take care of it, which is very different than what happens in the US.

    But saying that the sheer volume of people in jail in the US vs random Scandinavian country probably would make an evaluation system near impossible.... In Scandinavia we for one, do not throw people in jail for life for minor drug offences.
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    Re: Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison Read more: http://ww

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    Aside from the insane comparison of these two nations, deterrence has no place in my argument. He already killed 77 people, his rehabilitation will bring society no benefit. He destroyed too many peoples lives to be given second chances.
    His death will also bring society no benefit... other than revenge, which is not a benefit in a civilized society. As for second chances... after being in jail for 40 to 50 years, and coming out as a 70+ year old.. his "second chances" are pretty much gone.
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