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    Re: Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison Read more: http://ww

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    You attacked the legal system in Norway because of your American beliefs. The US legal system is a cest pool, putting children in prison and executing the mentally handicapped and innocent.
    Blah... blah... blah... and we all worship Satan, too.

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    Ideally, he should be imprisoned for as long as he poses a danger to society, and not a day longer. Norway's punishment seems reasonable to me. He'll spend at least 10 years in prison, with regular evaluations thereafter (possibly for the rest of his life) to determine if he's still dangerous. By the time he gets out of prison (if he ever does), he'll be an old man and may have mellowed out. I don't really see the point in keeping him in prison if some day he ceases to be a threat.
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    Re: Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison Read more: http://ww

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Revenge?Justice system is about righting wrongs and making sure the victims get justice.Ignoring that only ensures that people become satisfied with the justice system and start dispensing their own justice system. The justice system is not awe poor baby did you kill somebowdy?, let me give you some cozy comfortable digs for ten-twenty years and let you out when you deem you to be safe.
    Their society is a lot safer to live in than yours, they must be getting something right. How many mass shootings have they had? How much of their population is locked up? What percentage re-offend? Their penal system works for their society. Yours is plainly dysfunctional.
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    Re: Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison Read more: http://ww

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    You attacked the legal system in Norway because of your American beliefs. The US legal system is a cest pool, putting children in prison and executing the mentally handicapped and innocent.
    Norway gives slaps on the wrists to unrepentant murderers. I wouldn't be so smug if I were you.
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Blah... blah... blah... and we all worship Satan, too.

    Run along troll, run along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Norway gives slaps on the wrists to unrepentant murderers. I wouldn't be so smug if I were you.
    They lock them up to deprive them of their liberty. That's not slap on the wrist.
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    Re: Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison Read more: http://ww

    Indefensibility is in the mind of the beholder.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Defending the indefensible is never a good idea.

    And I have been to Scandinavia many times. You are GREATLY overstating their quality of life.

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    Re: Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison Read more: http://ww

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    They lock them up to deprive them of their liberty. That's not slap on the wrist.
    When someone murders 77 people, including children, yeah, it is. The warped sense of justice displayed by the Europeans on this board is what is truly shocking.

    I agree that the U.S. justice system is flawed, and I am an opponent of capital punishment, but I still believe that horrible crimes should be treated with harsh penalties, up to and including life sentences with no possibility of parole.

    I don't see how any reasonable person could think that a person who murders 77 people could, in ten years, cease to be a danger to society. The break from humanity that one has to achieve to do such a thing in my opinion precludes any invitation back in to the fold. He tore up his human card and he threw it away. If he wants to spend his time in prison usefully, he will pray to God (that other thing that Europeans **** on Americans about) that he spares him from the fires of hell ceaselessly day and night. If he dies at age 100, he might have just prayed enough to be spared eternal damnation.
    The morality of abortion is not a religious belief, any more than the morality of slavery, apartheid, rape, larceny, murder or arson is a religious belief. These are norms of the natural law of mankind and can be legislated even in a completely religionless society.

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    Re: Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison Read more: http://ww

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    When someone murders 77 people, including children, yeah, it is. The warped sense of justice displayed by the Europeans on this board is what is truly shocking.
    Notice how there seems to be a mass shooting in America nearly every week (including one today)? And how random tragedies in countries like Norway are very rare? Even adjusting for population size, they're far more common here than elsewhere. That should probably be a clue that the European sense of justice is more practical than the US sense of justice.

    I agree that the U.S. justice system is flawed, and I am an opponent of capital punishment, but I still believe that horrible crimes should be treated with harsh penalties, up to and including life sentences with no possibility of parole.
    He may very well spend the rest of his life in prison. The Norwegian justice system works differently than the American justice system. In the US, once you serve your sentence you are released no matter what. In Norway, you can apparently be held for longer than your sentence if you are still deemed a threat to society.

    I don't see how any reasonable person could think that a person who murders 77 people could, in ten years, cease to be a danger to society.
    People change over time. I know I'm not the same person I was 10 years ago. And in any case, if he hasn't ceased to be a danger to society in ten years, then he won't be released in ten years. And no offense, but I'd trust the psychiatrists evaluating him in 10 years to make that decision, more than I'd trust a random unqualified person evaluating him NOW to make that decision.

    The break from humanity that one has to achieve to do such a thing in my opinion precludes any invitation back in to the fold. He tore up his human card and he threw it away. If he wants to spend his time in prison usefully, he will pray to God (that other thing that Europeans **** on Americans about) that he spares him from the fires of hell ceaselessly day and night. If he dies at age 100, he might have just prayed enough to be spared eternal damnation.
    If he no longer poses a threat in 10 years, then there is no purpose in continuing to incarcerate him.
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    Re: Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison Read more: http://ww

    Well, my opinion is maybe debatable, but I don't think revenge should have a place in the legal system. Most important, society must be protected from the perpetrator as long as he's still dangerous.

    And I don't think an especially long punishment will make much difference. Either a murderer changes his character within the first few years in prison, or he will never change. But I could be wrong.
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