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    Re: Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison Read more: http://ww

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    There is no deterrence that will prevent someone from killing one person after another 77 times in succession. Nor will such an individual ever be capable of becoming a completely different person. Though I note a complete lack of empathy for the victims in your acceptance of his release if such a miracle were to happen.
    Its that lack of empathy for the victims why Breivik will be released.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison Read more: http://ww

    What makes you guys think the victims feel better when they give in to revenge?

    Revenge destroys the soul of the one seeking revenge. It does not help the victims, but cripples them even further, by depriving them of their humanity, and Breivik would have won.

    It has nothing to do with empathy. If I were in the position of the victims, I would probably be tempted to give in to revenge too. But I pray to God that I would be strong enough not to give in to it, because it would destroy me.
    "Not learning from mistakes is worse than committing mistakes. When you don't allow yourself to make mistakes, it is hard to be tolerant of others and it does not allow even God to be merciful."

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    It doesn't seem to me that you care about the victims at all. All you are looking for are excuses to wallow in sadistic fantasies of punishment, inflicting harm and killing people.
    "Not learning from mistakes is worse than committing mistakes. When you don't allow yourself to make mistakes, it is hard to be tolerant of others and it does not allow even God to be merciful."

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    Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison Read more: http://www.fo

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    What makes you guys think the victims feel better when they give in to revenge?

    Revenge destroys the soul of the one seeking revenge. It does not help the victims, but cripples them even further, by depriving them of their humanity, and Breivik would have won.

    It has nothing to do with empathy. If I were in the position of the victims, I would probably be tempted to give in to revenge too. But I pray to God that I would be strong enough not to give in to it, because it would destroy me.
    A declaration that it would destroy the "souls" of the affected does not make it so. Stop projecting.

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    Re: Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison Read more: http://ww

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    THis is what I like about my state.Some scumbag murders 77 people he will get the death penalty and there is no chance he will see the light of day outside of prison.Apparently Norwegians don't give a rats ass about the victims.

    Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison | Fox News
    OSLO, Norway – A Norwegian court sentenced Anders Behring Breivik to prison on Friday, denying prosecutors the insanity ruling they hoped would show that his massacre of 77 people was the work of a madman, not part of an anti-Muslim crusade.

    Breivik smiled with apparent satisfaction when Judge Wenche Elisabeth Arntzen read the ruling, declaring him sane enough to be held criminally responsible and sentencing him to "preventive detention," which means it is unlikely he will ever be released.
    The sentence brings a form of closure to Norway, which was shaken to its core by the bomb and gun attacks on July 22, 2011, because Breivik's lawyers said before the ruling that he would not appeal any ruling that did not declare him insane.
    But it also means Breivik got what he wanted: a ruling that paints him as a political terrorist instead of a psychotic mass murderer. Since his arrest, Breivik has said the attacks were meant to draw attention to his extreme right-wing ideology and to inspire a multi-decade uprising by "militant nationalists" across Europe.
    Prosecutors had argued Breivik was insane as he plotted his attacks to draw attention to a rambling "manifesto" that blamed Muslim immigration for the disintegration of European society.
    Breivik argued that authorities were trying to cast him as sick to cast doubt on his political views, and said during the trial that being sent to an insane asylum would be the worst thing that could happen to him.
    "He has always seen himself as sane so he isn't surprised by the ruling," Breivik's defense lawyer Geir Lippestad said.
    The five-judge panel in the Oslo district court unanimously convicted Breivik, 33, of terrorism and premeditated murder and ordered him imprisoned for a period between 10 and 21 years, the maximum allowed under Norwegian law. Such sentences can be extended as long as an inmate is considered too dangerous to be released, and legal experts say Breivik will almost certainly spend the rest of his life in prison


    To get an idea of what his prison cell will look like.
    Fengselet kan gasse Breivik - nyheter - Dagbladet.no
    I totally agree that this sentence doesn't not fit this case, this is an extraordinary circumstance. However Norway, like the United States, is a nation of laws and those laws must be followed surely you can agree upon that? Now if I was Norwegian I'd be calling for a change in the law to address the unique kind of crime that this attack was, however someone cannot be tried under a law that wasn't in place when they committed their act.

    And ultimately its Norway's tragedy, its their person, the criminal is one of them, its their problem, let them deal with it how they think is best.

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    Re: Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison Read more: http://ww

    This article explains the sentence and the entirely different approach to justice. Restorative vs Retributive. Really excellent article for anyone who wants to understand this better. Completely non-partisan.

    A Different Justice: Why Anders Breivik Only Got 21 Years for Killing 77 People - Max Fisher - The Atlantic

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    Re: Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison Read more: http://ww

    I don't care to understand if this is the result of understanding.
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    Re: Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison Read more: http://ww

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Who knows.I seriously doubt most of these countries with similar or lower incarceration rates to Norway coddle their inmates.So I imagine that many of those prisons are a lot stricter that ours.

    List of countries by incarceration rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    country prisoners per 100,000
    Greece 101
    Iraq 101
    Northern Ireland (UK) 99 I
    Belgium 97
    Paraguay 97
    Ireland 95
    Jordan 95
    South Korea 94
    Brunei 93
    Madagascar 93
    Uganda 92
    Federated States of Micronesia 90
    South Sudan 89
    Angola 87
    Netherlands 87
    Ecuador 86
    Tanzania 85
    Germany 83
    Egypt 81
    Tuvalu 80
    Guatemala 77
    Switzerland 76
    Vanuatu 76
    Benin 75
    Republika Srpska (Bosnia and Herzegovina) 75
    Denmark 74
    Andorra 73
    Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina (Bosnia and Herzegovina) 73
    Malawi 73
    Norway 73
    Monaco 70
    Sweden 70
    Laos 69
    Djibouti 68
    Marshall Islands 68
    Mozambique 67
    Kosovo 66
    Slovenia 64
    Afghanistan 62
    Oman 61
    Papua New Guinea 61
    Senegal 60
    Finland 59
    Indonesia 59
    Togo 59
    Syria 58
    Democratic Republic of Congo 57
    Cote d'Ivoire 56
    Ghana 56
    Haiti 55
    Japan 55
    Mauritania 50
    Solomon Islands 49
    Yemen 48
    Iceland 47
    Gambia 45
    Sudan 45
    Niger 43
    Bangladesh 42
    Nepal 42
    Qatar 41
    Pakistan 40
    Sierra Leone 39
    Liberia 37
    Chad 34
    Mali 32
    Burkina Faso 31
    India 30
    Nigeria 30
    Central African Republic 29
    Guinea 28
    Congo 26
    Faroe Islands (Denmark) 21
    Timor-Leste 20
    Comoros 19
    Liechtenstein 19
    What counts is not incarceration rate. It's RECIDIVISM RATE. Our system essentially turns petty criminals into hardened ones. That's a fact.
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    Re: Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison Read more: http://ww

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    What makes you guys think the victims feel better when they give in to revenge?

    Revenge destroys the soul of the one seeking revenge. It does not help the victims, but cripples them even further, by depriving them of their humanity, and Breivik would have won.

    It has nothing to do with empathy. If I were in the position of the victims, I would probably be tempted to give in to revenge too. But I pray to God that I would be strong enough not to give in to it, because it would destroy me.
    If some guy only got only 1.5 - 3.2 months for murdering one of your loved ones how would you feel? Not only that you had to pay for his dormitory,horseback riding and other luxuries, how would that make you feel? Most people who actually cared about their loved ones would feel as though the government just installed toilet over their loved ones grave.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: Norway court deems Breivik sane, sentences killer to prison Read more: http://ww

    Quote Originally Posted by Ben K. View Post
    A declaration that it would destroy the "souls" of the affected does not make it so. Stop projecting.
    A declaration does not, but psychology research certain supports the argument.

    "Rather than providing closure, it does the opposite: It keeps the wound open and fresh," he says.

    Revenge and the people who seek it
    Now where is your evidence?

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