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    Re: Multiple People Shot Outside Empire State Building

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I'm curious. If preventing shooters from obtaining the weapons they need to kill won't stop them, what will? I hear a lot of "Rawr! Can't ban guns!" in these arguments, but very seldom any actual alternatives. The only idea I heard after the Batman shooting was all kinds of security in movie theatres. That suggestion was, of course, absurd, and it boggles my mind how the same people who lament the coming of a Big Brother future were in favor of constant scrutiny of people anytime they go outside their homes.

    So, gun advocates, if disarming the violent won't stop them, what will?

    Arm the citizens. There will be a lot of shootings for awhile, but that will be the law-abiding citizens, cleaning house. Then there will be peace because an armed society is a polite society.

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    Re: Multiple People Shot Outside Empire State Building

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I'm curious. If preventing shooters from obtaining the weapons they need to kill won't stop them, what will? I hear a lot of "Rawr! Can't ban guns!" in these arguments, but very seldom any actual alternatives. The only idea I heard after the Batman shooting was all kinds of security in movie theatres. That suggestion was, of course, absurd, and it boggles my mind how the same people who lament the coming of a Big Brother future were in favor of constant scrutiny of people anytime they go outside their homes.

    So, gun advocates, if disarming the violent won't stop them, what will?
    Early intervention? What do you hear repeatedly in interviews following these mass shootings?:

    "Well, he'd been sick/ill/stressed/suffering from mental issues".

    And what do most of them have in common:

    Desperation, unemployment, high-stress lifestyles or failures deriving from same, etc.

    So what we have then, is a profile. And we can then take that profile and utilize it to increase our focus on preventative actions instead of honing our post-incident reactions and Monday morning quarterbacking.


    Now, if we go down another path and discuss gang-related gun violence or drug-related gun violence the answers are slightly different. Discourage gang activity by providing legitimate options for escape for young children before they ever get approached by gang leaders. Legalize possession of most drugs and create a regulated sales system a la California.

    Guns aren't the problem. Environments are the problem. Even if you destroyed every single gun in existence these people would still find a way to kill and physically assault others. Guns are just a weapon, not a cause. We have to stop approaching it that way.
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    Re: Multiple People Shot Outside Empire State Building

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    Arm the citizens. There will be a lot of shootings for awhile, but that will be the law-abiding citizens, cleaning house. Then there will be peace because an armed society is a polite society.
    Oh, to live in an idealistic world where an idea like that would be practical. One thing I don't understand is why vehemently pro gun people apply the "slippery slope" argument to their fear of gun control (ie. making people register their guns, waiting periods, etc.) but don't see how the that same "slippery slope" argument could apply to arming everyone.

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    Re: Multiple People Shot Outside Empire State Building

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Oh, to live in an idealistic world where an idea like that would be practical. One thing I don't understand is why vehemently pro gun people apply the "slippery slope" argument to their fear of gun control (ie. making people register their guns, waiting periods, etc.) but don't see how the that same "slippery slope" argument could apply to arming everyone.

    Pro gun advocates do not advocate gun registration. I think you mean pro anti-gunners and you might have mistyped.

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    Re: Multiple People Shot Outside Empire State Building

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    Re: Multiple People Shot Outside Empire State Building

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Maybe it's just because the media is paying more attention to it right now, but does it seem to anyone else like there have been a LOT of mass shootings recently?
    Imagine if mass media coverage and at-the-moment news broadcasting had been a reality in the days of Bonnie and Clyde or the James Gang.
    Some of the problem is that people are collectively feeling stressed, due to the economic slump we are in. Another problem (imo) is that kis are not taught how to handle stress nearly as well as used to be the case, because for the most part, we've lived lives of relative ease since WW2. When you've lived your entire life not having to worry or learn how to deal with hardship and emotionally tough circumstances, you're less likely to be able to cope effectively.
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    Re: Multiple People Shot Outside Empire State Building

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    Pro gun advocates do not advocate gun registration. I think you mean pro anti-gunners and you might have mistyped.
    What I'm saying is that pro gun people fear that gun registration and waiting periods are a slippery slope to taking away everyone's guns. Sorry if I wasn't clear there.
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    Re: Multiple People Shot Outside Empire State Building

    At my office, they required some training on how to prevent work place violence. They had some slides up there, mentioning employees who didn't get the promotions they thought they should get, poor homelife, working too hard, carrying more than one job. Yet, nothing was ever mentioned about poor management. Management was always isolated. Yet, at the root of many disgruntled employees is poor management, management promoting their own friends, management having it in for a certain employee. I should know because I am a union steward, who has seen quite a bit of poor management being the root of quite a bit of frustration at the work place.

    You notice in this case, that the guy shot his boss. I had heard that he was fired yesterday, and shot his boss today.

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    Re: Multiple People Shot Outside Empire State Building

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    Just heard on the news that the gunman was fired from his job. The usual MO with somebody like this is he probably got so frustrated that he felt life wasn't worth living so he planned a group suicide with his boss and anyone who got a promotion at his expense. More than likely, he killed himself afterwards, or at least decided to try suicide by cop.
    Well ... at least he didn't get fired from the Post Office.

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    Re: Multiple People Shot Outside Empire State Building

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    So you're saying this? It didn't work this one time, so let's never try it again!
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