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    Re: Multiple People Shot Outside Empire State Building

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    And for those individuals it is not a concern to me, but for those that put in even less time at the range then a cop, having CCW for protection and having a gun when walking around it should be

    How many CCW holders do you know (me a couple thousand)
    How many have you taught (me a few hundred)
    How many shootings have you reviewed (me at least 50 personally-read reports of 200+ more as well)

    As noted by the former Cincinnati POlice Department Chief firearms instructor before Cincinnati City counsel several years ago-

    take any ten people from Targetworld (the local public range) and compare their gun handling skills and accuracy with any ten officers practicing at the nearby CPD range and the people from TW would win every time

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    Re: Multiple People Shot Outside Empire State Building

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    How many CCW holders do you know (me a couple thousand)
    How many have you taught (me a few hundred)
    How many shootings have you reviewed (me at least 50 personally-read reports of 200+ more as well)

    As noted by the former Cincinnati POlice Department Chief firearms instructor before Cincinnati City counsel several years ago-

    take any ten people from Targetworld (the local public range) and compare their gun handling skills and accuracy with any ten officers practicing at the nearby CPD range and the people from TW would win every time
    I was not commenting on the CCW that put in the time like you say at the range, but those that carry without putting in the time, perhaps in response to the number of mass shootings, and a desire to protect themselves when in public
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    Re: Multiple People Shot Outside Empire State Building

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    I was not commenting on the CCW that put in the time like you say at the range, but those that carry without putting in the time, perhaps in response to the number of mass shootings, and a desire to protect themselves when in public
    There are more cops who are crappy shots percentage wise than non LEO CCW holders

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    Re: Multiple People Shot Outside Empire State Building

    There are plenty of folks - Bloomberg being first - to softball this situation. In his initial speech he said that some of the wounded might have been shot by the cops. Now we find that ALL of them were shot by cops ... and at exceedingly close range. I'm with the Turtle on this one. There is NO RATIONAL REASON this should happen. I'm not swallowing the stress pablum. This is ice-cold incompetency. And as Freddy Prinz would say, "It's their yob mon". This requires more than a mere hand-slap and saying, "you didn't done good". This is criminal ... and the supervisors who failed to insure proper training need a little jail time for their incompetence as well.

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    Re: Multiple People Shot Outside Empire State Building

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    A couple of years ago in Spokane 3 cops shot 21 times at a man with a gun at close range and hit him 3 times. Adrenalin can really screw your aim up. Which brings me to another issue, cops and semi auto pistols. I prefer an old 6 shooter for the very reason that you can't spray bullets. It forces you to take aim and shoot because you know you only have a few rounds. IMO it is a safer gun to shoot in a situation like this NYC thing. Theres a reason full auto is only used for suppressive fire, you can't really hit anything like that. "spray and pray" A bit off subject but it just got me thinking.
    Spray and pray is just not acceptable in a crowd.

    I wonder why cops aren't armed with rifles, at least in some situations? Rifles are a lot more accurate than handguns are.
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    Re: Multiple People Shot Outside Empire State Building

    Mighty embarassing to find out that the 9 injured weren't shot by the criminal, but by two of "New York's Finest".... oh my, but that was some really ****ty shooting.


    Maybe they need to learn what those bits of metal on top of the gun are for... even under severe stress I could shoot better than that when I was a teenager.

    Maybe it has something to do with recruiting cops in a city where almost no one grows up around legally owned firearms...

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    Re: Multiple People Shot Outside Empire State Building

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Aww nameless personalities from teh internetz won't pay hollow lip service on a hostile debate forum where no one cares anyway, you poor thing.
    I don't consider it hollow lip service. Again, I consider it being a human being.

    Yes, I realize I'm asking the impossible from a guy who is constantly a provocative douchebag on these forums.

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    Re: Multiple People Shot Outside Empire State Building

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    I was not commenting on the CCW that put in the time like you say at the range, but those that carry without putting in the time, perhaps in response to the number of mass shootings, and a desire to protect themselves when in public
    Maybe thats a compromise people.could get behind.

    You can carry, but you gotta QUALIFY.

    I know theres too many exceptions, like little old ladies, for it to be realistic, but it sure would be nice to weed out the knuckleheads.
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    Re: Multiple People Shot Outside Empire State Building

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Maybe thats a compromise people.could get behind.

    You can carry, but you gotta QUALIFY.

    I know theres too many exceptions, like little old ladies, for it to be realistic, but it sure would be nice to weed out the knuckleheads.

    Most states already require you to qualify on the range to recieve a CCW.

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    Re: Multiple People Shot Outside Empire State Building

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Most states already require you to qualify on the range to recieve a CCW.
    But is it really any kind of test?

    Cops qualify but only hit what theyre aiming at like what, 17 percent of the time?
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