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    Labor Department spent $500G in stimulus on green-job ad blitz on Olbermann, Maddow

    Labor Department spent $500G in stimulus on green-job ad blitz on Olbermann, Maddow

    The Obama administration paid a PR firm nearly $500,000 in stimulus funds to run a barrage of ads on White House-friendly cable programs promoting its green job training program.

    According to government records, the Labor Department paid the money in late 2009 to a company that negotiated a media buy on MSNBC's "Countdown with Keith Olbermann" and "The Rachel Maddow Show." The ad was set to run more than 100 times -- 14 times a week for two months.

    It's unclear how many people might have gotten involved in the green job training program because of the ads. But in terms of direct economic impact, the official online entry on the contract listed zero jobs created as a result of the payment.

    "On the surface, this doesn't pass the basic sniff test," Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, who sits on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, told FoxNews.com.
    The government already spends way too much of our tax payer's money on propaganda and advertising but this really smells of dirty “Chicago style” politics. Does anyone really think it was an accident that MSNBC was the beneficiary here?




    According to the Labor Department, the Job Corps committed more than $9 million in stimulus funds toward growing its training program and brought in more than 60,000 students to participate in the process.

    The department reported that it was adding training programs "for an emerging green economy" -- by developing concentrations for such careers as weatherization technician, smart meter technician and other fields.
    I have four friends who completed this “weatherization technician” training more than a year ago and not one of them has been able to find a job in this “growing” field. It was a waste of our tax dollars and a waste of my friends’ time.
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    Re: Your Tax $$ to 'Stimulate' MSNBC?

    They advertised on a lot of stations. They advertise lots of things on lots of stations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    They advertised on a lot of stations. They advertise lots of things on lots of stations.
    So you defend this.

    A bottomless well of excuses. "I refuse to hold the leaders I like accountable."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    So you defend this.

    A bottomless well of excuses. "I refuse to hold the leaders I like accountable."
    There is no such thing as a government tax dollar wasted or unscrupulous and questionable actions by this White House in Deuce's world.

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    I assume it was a reward for their support. Should they have chosen Fox to advertise on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Labor Department spent $500G in stimulus on green-job ad blitz on Olbermann, Maddow

    The government already spends way too much of our tax payer's money on propaganda and advertising but this really smells of dirty “Chicago style” politics. Does anyone really think it was an accident that MSNBC was the beneficiary here?




    I have four friends who completed this “weatherization technician” training more than a year ago and not one of them has been able to find a job in this “growing” field. It was a waste of our tax dollars and a waste of my friends’ time.

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    Re: Your Tax $$ to 'Stimulate' MSNBC?

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    I assume it was a reward for their support.
    I assume the same.



    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Should they have chosen Fox to advertise on?
    They shouldn’t have advertised in the first place. If the government doesn’t advertise, the likelihood for government corruption and propagandizing is reduced. See how that works?



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    Politician rewards supporter. Moon orbits Earth. Scandalous!
    I see, you accept government corruption and propaganda as a fact of life and dismiss it as nothing more than a fact of life? I hope you don’t vote if this is your position.

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    Re: Your Tax $$ to 'Stimulate' MSNBC?

    Yes, I accept corruption as a fact of life and you don't. Which one of us will have any impact? It's discouraging and depressing. I watch our owners rape, brutalize and rob us every minute of every day.
    What strategy do you propose? Elect a different pack of crooks? 4th largest population in the world and exactly 2 political parties, both corrupt, to choose from.
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    I assume the same.
    I see, you accept government corruption and propaganda as a fact of life and dismiss it as nothing more than a fact of life? I hope you don’t vote if this is your position.

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    Re: Your Tax $$ to 'Stimulate' MSNBC?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    So you defend this.

    A bottomless well of excuses. "I refuse to hold the leaders I like accountable."

    I believe he was saying that it is was a typical political attack piece leaving out context and background information to make the situation seem worse that it is.

    And I believe you were trying to put words in his mouth.

    Don't do that.

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    Re: Your Tax $$ to 'Stimulate' MSNBC?

    14 times a week, ie twice a day, is a "barrage?" I don't think so.

    Look if you're the government, and you got a new program to intended to help those unemployed or those in professions which too many workers for the demand and thus wages have decreased, if you've got a program to help those people obviously regardless of how good or bad the program is(personally I have no idea) people have to know about it for it to work. So you've got to get the message out there some how, was TV advertising the best choice? I don't know that either, but obviously you need to get that knowledge so people know its an option for them.

    Now when it said zero jobs were created from this spending I wonder how they are calculating that. Are they saying that the purchase of the ad space didn't directly any jobs? To that I'd say no **** why would you expect advertisements to directly create jobs. If the fact is that the program as a whole, advertising included, created no jobs then its something that can rightfully be pointed out as a failure of the stimulus and should be examined and analyzed to ensure it doesn't happen again. Republicans could also rightfully criticize that program as a failure since it clearly met none of its objectives, if in fact the zero jobs point is talking about the program as a whole.

    But of course the article itself states:
    The official "award summary" on the Labor Department contract explained that the ads were meant for "raising awareness among employers and influencers" about the green job training program and to move a "target audience" to contact the Job Corps Call Center to ask about enrolling.
    The summary cited "existing and new training initiatives in high-growth and environmentally friendly career areas."
    According to the Labor Department, the Job Corps committed more than $9 million in stimulus funds toward growing its training program and brought in more than 60,000 students to participate in the process.
    The department reported that it was adding training programs "for an emerging green economy" -- by developing concentrations for such careers as weatherization technician, smart meter technician and other fields.
    So it appears the program was at least successful in gathering students, and thats what we should be focusing on, are these people better off because of this program and did it help lower unemployment and boost the economy and if "Yes" then was that boost worth the cost? Not an easy question and there's no clear answer as "worth it" is a subjective term. But just FYI 9 million bucks for 60,000 students is 150 bucks a student, sounds pretty cheap but again 150 bucks of worthless training is still wasted money even if per person it wasn't very expensive waste. So again, was it worth it? I don't know.

    And lastly it would also be blown a bit out of proportion to focus entirely on this one thing, since the stimulus spent around 5.5 billion dollars and reduced taxes by 2.7 billion for a combined cost to the government (spending plus revenue lost) of over 7 billion dollars, focusing on 500,000 is kind of silly.

    I conclude this story and article is a bunch of hyperbole and junk because it doesn't ask the right questions and focus on the real purpose of the stimulus spending except for a brief mention at the end.

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    Re: Your Tax $$ to 'Stimulate' MSNBC?

    Maybe a bit "off-topic", but not how I see it because I'm looking at an overall picture, not just 1 specific expenditure. IF we're upset about "frivolous and wasteful spending", then let's look at all of it, right??
    I joined the US Coast Guard in 1999, mainly in part because every week on WWF's Monday Night wrestling show that I watched with my friends (yeah, I was 17) the US Coast Guard advertised. The US Military advertises everyday in an effort to recruit people and put the word out there about what they do. The branches of the Military sponsor NASCAR cars and races, Bowl games, and many other sporting events. Many of those I served with were influenced by advertising from these types of events. With such a GIANT Defense budget, in the hundreds of billions of dollars, WHY do people keep pointing out all of these TINY TINY expenditures in comparison??
    Heck, Romney made 20% of that total, $100,000 just in salary in 1 year from a company he claims he had no involvement with...
    Yet these same folks are upset at the Gov't for advertising a program twice a day to the audience they think will most benefit from it.
    I see this as a certain group of individuals having nothing of any substance to really argue about, so they keep drumming up these outlandish "stories" to paint another certain group of individuals as dirty and irresponsible. Fact is, both sides do it all the time. That's not new to anyone.

    I don't remember all the Reps getting up in arms when Boehner spent $500,000 on a law firm for the case challenging the constitutionality of the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA). All the while he was promising that Washington would make spending cuts. Yeah, cutting Education $5.5billion and Veteran's Affairs $3.3billion. (I'm just using two that hit home with me).
    How about what it costs for (UNNECESSARY) Voter ID Laws?? http://brennan.3cdn.net/2f0860fb73fd..._zzm6bhnld.pdf
    Now your talking about millions added to states that are operating in a deficit. But let's keep attacking this stimulus spending... that seems like such a terrible waste of MY money. Bahahaha!! seriously, I cannot believe I actually live in an America where we'll focus on THIS story instead of the millions of stories where REAL fraud is happening to us every f'n day.

    p.s. This cracks me up >>> Rep. Bill Posey (R-Fla.) "We have a volunteer military and they have to advertise for recruits somewhere. …. Do you think they should advertise at the philharmonic? Or maybe you think they should advertise at the ballet. We could surely get some burly, mean paratroopers if we advertised at the ballet.’’

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