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Labor Department spent $500G in stimulus on green-job ad blitz on Olbermann, Maddow

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Labor Department spent $500G in stimulus on green-job ad blitz on Olbermann, Maddow

The government already spends way too much of our tax payer's money on propaganda and advertising but this really smells of dirty “Chicago style” politics. Does anyone really think it was an accident that MSNBC was the beneficiary here?





I have four friends who completed this “weatherization technician” training more than a year ago and not one of them has been able to find a job in this “growing” field. It was a waste of our tax dollars and a waste of my friends’ time.


The claim of zero jobs created is a lie. If you made TV ads then you needed people to make the ads. then you needed to employ a media company to run them. revenue from advertising is exactly what pays for those jobs. So perhaps you did not make a lot of jobs, but the claims of no jobs created is false. besides, we could get back that money by stopping tax breaks for ballarina horses. That is about 7 ballarina horses we would have to stop giving breaks for and we could make back the 500k. I would have to say advertising for green products does more for this country than dressage kickbacks do.
 
Re: Labor Department spent $500G in stimulus on green-job ad blitz on Olbermann, Madd

The claim of zero jobs created is a lie. If you made TV ads then you needed people to make the ads. then you needed to employ a media company to run them. revenue from advertising is exactly what pays for those jobs. So perhaps you did not make a lot of jobs, but the claims of no jobs created is false. besides, we could get back that money by stopping tax breaks for ballarina horses. That is about 7 ballarina horses we would have to stop giving breaks for and we could make back the 500k. I would have to say advertising for green products does more for this country than dressage kickbacks do.

I hate to break it to you but money spent on an existing job isn’t the same as creating a new job. Are you implying that the government should spend money so people in the media who already have jobs can be counted as “jobs created”?

If we didn’t have a national debt monster threatening to devour the USA, I might be more inclined to agree with you on the benefits of stimulus but we are broke, must pay our current bills/obligations by borrowing more money and the elected officials are telling us that the reason we are in this mess is that we aren’t spending enough.

Care to explain how this “spend your way out of debt” philosophy works? I don’t get it. I balance my budget every year but our elected officials don’t see the need for such simplistic measures and think we need to put more charges on the credit card to get out of debt? How is this anything but insanity?
 
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No, I'm just pointing out that the outrage is incredibly selective. For instance, I didn't see anyone whining about spending money advertising for military recruitment. Because no dollar spent on the sacred military is wasted, right?

You make a great point, for once, Deuce.

The outrage is indeed selective when it comes to the military because the military is one of the few constitutional mandates to the government by the constitution, and the military needs to have a regular and steady flow of new recruits to function. Green jobs obviously don’t qualify as a constitutional mandate and the money this administration spent on them was obviously an utter failure.

You can thank a Veteran for your right to spew your European Socialism ideals but you can’t thank Obama for the surge of green jobs he promised because it never happened. The Obama green jobs propaganda and education worked but the green jobs economy he promised just didn’t materialize.

Obama is into the environment only when it benefits his chances of being re-elected. He’s more interested in making sure his special interest supporters get some pay-back than what is best for our nation.
 
Re: Labor Department spent $500G in stimulus on green-job ad blitz on Olbermann, Madd

I hate to break it to you but money spent on an existing job isn’t the same as creating a new job.

I hate to break it to you, but it is economics 101 that demand creates jobs. by creating a demand for commercials and their production you create jobs. Throwing money at rich people without creating demand does not create jobs at all. It just makes rich people richer. it is the major flaw in trickle down economics, and why it doesn't work at all. Like obama said, he did not make it himself, and he also did not make the media outlet that hires people to distribute the message. All of which exist because of demand for their product, and yes that does employ people. Don't get mad at me because that simple concept shows the claim no jobs were created to be false.

Are you implying that the government should spend money so people in the media who already have jobs can be counted as “jobs created”?

if no one made a demand for those things, then there would not be jobs for them to have.
If we didn’t have a national debt monster threatening to devour the USA, I might be more inclined to agree with you on the benefits of stimulus but we are broke, must pay our current bills/obligations by borrowing more money and the elected officials are telling us that the reason we are in this mess is that we aren’t spending enough.

here is a totally different issue. by reducing the spending which creates demand that makes the need for those jobs we would actually cut jobs even more. It is the basic concept behind cutting spending to cover the debt. by doing so you have to accept the sacrifices that come from the process. When i cut my spending to pay off my bills the small decrease in demand probably does not kill off another's job, unless it is in my business where it probably would. When the US government cut's spending it cuts a huge amount of demand. this is why neither party is willing to actually do it. It is actually an oddly downward spiral. the government cuts spending, which cuts demand for workers, which causes unemployment, which cuts tax revenue, which means they have to cut spending further.... So on and so forth. That is a little more advanced economics for you, but since 101 is confusing you that is probably a bit over your head. Cutting spending is a simple solution of fail given to simple people who cannot understand complex systems. The proper solution is a lot more complicated than simply cutting job creation spending.

However, if you want to look to spending we can cut that will actually reduce our costs i would say we could easily look at congressional salaries and benefits. We could also reduce country building and foreign religious wars. Corporate welfare is another nice place to look. We could also cut out moral wars like the ones on gays, abortion, muslims, and immigrants. We could save big money on decriminalizing marijuana.
Care to explain how this “spend your way out of debt” philosophy works? I don’t get it. I balance my budget every year but our elected officials don’t see the need for such simplistic measures and think we need to put more charges on the credit card to get out of debt? How is this anything but insanity?

You see, your budget is not the same as a government. Oddly enough the prosperity of the clinton era is directly attributed to credit spending. All that spending on credit lead to increased demand and increased employment. There is a little difference between your credit and the governments. You do not create the idea of money and wealth. That is established and created by the government. When you don't pay your bills the repo man comes and takes your stuff. When the government does not pay it's bills who is the repo man? He is the banker who is reliant on the government to establish his wealth. If the bankers kill off the US government they collapse the world. I find that a little hard to believe the rich people would let the collapse of the world's economies happen. It just seems to be detrimental to their existence as rich people.
 
Re: Labor Department spent $500G in stimulus on green-job ad blitz on Olbermann, Madd

I hate to break it to you, but it is economics 101 that demand creates jobs. by creating a demand for commercials and their production you create jobs. Throwing money at rich people without creating demand does not create jobs at all. It just makes rich people richer. it is the major flaw in trickle down economics, and why it doesn't work at all. Like obama said, he did not make it himself, and he also did not make the media outlet that hires people to distribute the message. All of which exist because of demand for their product, and yes that does employ people. Don't get mad at me because that simple concept shows the claim no jobs were created to be false.



if no one made a demand for those things, then there would not be jobs for them to have.


here is a totally different issue. by reducing the spending which creates demand that makes the need for those jobs we would actually cut jobs even more. It is the basic concept behind cutting spending to cover the debt. by doing so you have to accept the sacrifices that come from the process. When i cut my spending to pay off my bills the small decrease in demand probably does not kill off another's job, unless it is in my business where it probably would. When the US government cut's spending it cuts a huge amount of demand. this is why neither party is willing to actually do it. It is actually an oddly downward spiral. the government cuts spending, which cuts demand for workers, which causes unemployment, which cuts tax revenue, which means they have to cut spending further.... So on and so forth. That is a little more advanced economics for you, but since 101 is confusing you that is probably a bit over your head. Cutting spending is a simple solution of fail given to simple people who cannot understand complex systems. The proper solution is a lot more complicated than simply cutting job creation spending.

However, if you want to look to spending we can cut that will actually reduce our costs i would say we could easily look at congressional salaries and benefits. We could also reduce country building and foreign religious wars. Corporate welfare is another nice place to look. We could also cut out moral wars like the ones on gays, abortion, muslims, and immigrants. We could save big money on decriminalizing marijuana.


You see, your budget is not the same as a government. Oddly enough the prosperity of the clinton era is directly attributed to credit spending. All that spending on credit lead to increased demand and increased employment. There is a little difference between your credit and the governments. You do not create the idea of money and wealth. That is established and created by the government. When you don't pay your bills the repo man comes and takes your stuff. When the government does not pay it's bills who is the repo man? He is the banker who is reliant on the government to establish his wealth. If the bankers kill off the US government they collapse the world. I find that a little hard to believe the rich people would let the collapse of the world's economies happen. It just seems to be detrimental to their existence as rich people.

Give me a break. Since when did economics 101 support your zany theory that the government spending money on propaganda creates jobs? You are making this crap up dude. You can’t support it and you know this was simple Chicago style politics where you pay back the favor to those who supported you and put a hit out on those who opposed you.

MSNBC is as obvious as obvious can get when it comes to being a shill for Obama. They don’t even try to hide their agenda anymore. Obama made sure they got some payback for all their past and future support. End of story dude!

Hate to break it to you again but the USA grew up without your twisted idea of economics and will survive your twisted view of “government sugar daddy” politics because your liberal politicians are going to get tossed out of office in November and the laws of this great nation will be respected once again as the new congress passes a budget every year, cuts spending, increases tax revenue and stimulates the economy by taking the chains off of the business sector by reducing the stupid regulations that are killing our economy.

There won’t be a return to slavery or excessive pollution, no seniors being denied their Medicare or Social Security benefits but you and Obama will try to make it sound that way because you have no moral plumb line and retaining power is more important than the economy.
 
Re: Labor Department spent $500G in stimulus on green-job ad blitz on Olbermann, Madd

I'm going to pop in for a moment and say that I do believe that this was probably pointless. I don't feel like this spending by the administration was at all useful. But why is this news? Maybe I'm just too dumb to understand the value of money, but this is $500,000. I think Bill Gates farts more money than that.
 
Re: Labor Department spent $500G in stimulus on green-job ad blitz on Olbermann, Madd

..... why does GPS Flex have such a problem with this? The military spends $667 million yearly on advertisements. I guess it's because it's the labor department and GPS Flex doesn't want to look like an anti-American liberal to his fellow conservatives.
 
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Re: Labor Department spent $500G in stimulus on green-job ad blitz on Olbermann, Madd

Care to explain how this “spend your way out of debt” philosophy works? I don’t get it. I balance my budget every year but our elected officials don’t see the need for such simplistic measures and think we need to put more charges on the credit card to get out of debt? How is this anything but insanity?

Ok. I'll tell every business owner that has ever taken out a loan to create a business that they were crazy for doing so. I have no idea what apple was thinking when they took out a loan to start up their business. I bet they really regret that!



This is a very simple concept. Our economy thrives when more money is put into it, and declines when not enough is being put into it. Some of the money comes from the private sector, some comes from the government. Right now, the private sector isn't investing as much as it needs too. If the government cut all spending right in the middle of a recession like this, the economy would completely tank. Period. I don't like us running high deficits either, but that beats the alternative of destroying the soft recovery we have right now. We need to reinforce the economy and when it is doing better, we should incrementally cut government spending back, which will be very easy because less people will need the unemployment, and other social programs, we will receive more tax money from the extra employed people, etc. etc.

We do need to cute government spending, but doing so right, cutting any spending that isn't completely wasteful, now is the worst possible thing we could do.
 
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