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Ship Commander Fired After Harassment Claims

What I've done with what? I told you I respect his service, but that doesn't mean that I can't say what l think of his comments. That is another thing entirely, and that is what the forum is for. I'm sure he doesn't need you to protect him from me and my terrible comments. Besides, I didn't say anything more disrespectful than what he is showing to women service members by saying they don't belong.

keep thinking that.
 
I never meant to disrespect anyone. I was only trying to say that he is old-fashioned and needs to see that the world is changing.
 
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I am a vet, have the scars to prove it. That doesn't mean folks can't tell me what they think. Supposedly the whole point of my blood loss is so folks CAN say what they think.

In the right context, sure.

Now seems to me NP's rather trollish stances invite at the very least a reminder that time marches ON and not BACK.

having an opinion contrary to yours does not make them "trollish"

Hell, because I use progressive as my lean I get smears from 'conservative' posters.

If NP is half the old salt he claims to be he damn sure doesn't need you playing mommy.

He doesn't for sure. That doesn't mean I can't give my own opinion.

So using your ahhhh 'logic' can I tell him no amount of pouting is going to turn back time. That his stalking horse of young seamen being uncontrollable lust buckets doesn't give cover to a navy warship's commander having bad judgement. How about 'gay underway' is ok, he needs to make peace with his past?

My "ahhh logic" is not much different that your "ahhh logic". needless to say, some comments are over the top.

I'll match him scar for scar. He may have done more than some but he didn't do more than me. Best a vet should hope for is to not be called a baby killer and I doubt NP was anywhere near enough to the bad guys to kill anyone, much less babies.

ahhh, I'm more vet then you....let me guess, Army?

not knocking his service, just applying your 'logic'... :peace

lol, really?
 
I never meant to disrespect anyone. I was only trying to say that he is old-fashioned and needs to see that the world is changing.

He very well may be. But you'd be better received by showing a little respect to those that served in a different world then you live in. Keeping in mind that the world you live in owes a debt to those that served before it existed.
 
There were no women on my ship. I did get pulled out of a burning H-60, in Iraq, by a female though. I had passed out due to smoke inhalation. 5 years later, she Capped me.

Thank you for your service as well, brother.

Thirty five years and I still miss my shipmates and the Goat Locker......God Bless.
 
If you're referring to my comment, I don't see how it was "over the top." Not even close, maybe a little sarcastic but it was not in any way meant to be a personal insult. That is my opinion on the views he has expressed. This is the THIRD time I've tried to explain my comment, and I'm not going to anymore. Go ahead, think I'm disrespectful. I don't really care.
 
If you're referring to my comment, I don't see how it was "over the top." Not even close, maybe a little sarcastic but it was not in any way meant to be a personal insult. That is my opinion on the views he has expressed. This is the THIRD time I've tried to explain my comment, and I'm not going to anymore. Go ahead, think I'm disrespectful. I don't really care.

Then stop trying to convince me that you had no intention of being disrespectful. :shrug:
 
mac-
I am a vet, have the scars to prove it. That doesn't mean folks can't tell me what they think. Supposedly the whole point of my blood loss is so folks CAN say what they think.

Now seems to me NP's rather trollish stances invite at the very least a reminder that time marches ON and not BACK.

Hell, because I use progressive as my lean I get smears from 'conservative' posters.

If NP is half the old salt he claims to be he damn sure doesn't need you playing mommy.

So using your ahhhh 'logic' can I tell him no amount of pouting is going to turn back time. That his stalking horse of young seamen being uncontrollable lust buckets doesn't give cover to a navy warship's commander having bad judgement. How about 'gay underway' is ok, he needs to make peace with his past?

I'll match him scar for scar. He may have done more than some but he didn't do more than me. Best a vet should hope for is to not be called a baby killer and I doubt NP was anywhere near enough to the bad guys to kill anyone, much less babies.

not knocking his service, just applying your 'logic'... :peace

No one is trying to turn back time my left wing friend and I thank you for your service...........I don't know what branch you were in but the Navy is unique in that at sea its a 24/7 hours a day job....Its not a social experiment like you Liberals want to treat it. Its a very dangerous job to......I have almost been washed over the side in the Artic Circle..I have been in a Hurricane off the coast of Cape Hatteras and dodge shells from shore batteries on Yankees station off the coast of N. Vietnam......... I would not want my wife to go through that.........They will never change back to the way it was so we have to live with it and there will still be sexual harrassment by both men and women (It happens).....There will also be false charges of it by women who want to get even with a man for whatever reason............

I know I am and ancient sailor but thank God we never had to face these problems............As much as I loved the Navy I would not want to serve in todays Navy........One of my sons who has a PHD was offered a commision in the Navy.......I advised against it.........
 
Then stop trying to convince me that you had no intention of being disrespectful. :shrug:

Thank you for your support but don't worry about it.........I been a member of DP for 7 years and am use to insults from the left.............It goes with the territory if your a Conservative.
 
No one is trying to turn back time my left wing friend and I thank you for your service...........I don't know what branch you were in but the Navy is unique in that at sea its a 24/7 hours a day job....Its not a social experiment like you Liberals want to treat it. Its a very dangerous job to......I have almost been washed over the side in the Artic Circle..I have been in a Hurricane off the coast of Cape Hatteras and dodge shells from shore batteries on Yankees station off the coast of N. Vietnam......... I would not want my wife to go through that.........They will never change back to the way it was so we have to live with it and there will still be sexual harrassment by both men and women (It happens).....There will also be false charges of it by women who want to get even with a man for whatever reason............

I know I am and ancient sailor but thank God we never had to face these problems............As much as I loved the Navy I would not want to serve in todays Navy........One of my sons who has a PHD was offered a commision in the Navy.......I advised against it.........

It may be different, Ancien, but it is not worse.
 
Thank you for your support but don't worry about it.........I been a member of DP for 7 years and am use to insults from the left.............It goes with the territory if your a Conservative.

It just pisses me off when the Starbucks crowd thinks they're qualified.
 
Thank you for your support but don't worry about it.........I been a member of DP for 7 years and am use to insults from the left.............It goes with the territory if your a Conservative.

Well, if you feel that I insulted you, I'm sorry for that. It was not meant to be an insult.
 
You know zero about life aboard a Navy Combatant that spends up to 90 days at sea.............

No, but I do. And I think your opinion on this is garbage.
 
It just pisses me off when the Starbucks crowd thinks they're qualified.

FYI, I'm part of the Dunkin Donuts crowd.
 
It just pisses me off when the Starbucks crowd thinks they're qualified.

Its not you my friend.........

as far as the modern Navy goes, No more Initiations when you make chief or when you croos the equator......Traditions over 100 years dumped by some Officer who has no clue what the CPO creed is or what its all about............
 
Its not you my friend.........

as far as the modern Navy goes, No more Initiations when you make chief or when you croos the equator......Traditions over 100 years dumped by some Officer who has no clue what the CPO creed is or what its all about............

We still have them, they're just modified to compensate for "hazing". Again, different, but not worse. Our Navy endures through it's changes.
 
We still have them, they're just modified to compensate for "hazing". Again, different, but not worse. Our Navy endures through it's changes.


I have to disagree...Few old Chiefs would call it a hazing and considered it and honor.......a few malcontents complained about it.........Now Chief Clubs are going away (none at subase Bangor or PSNS) Next to my marriage and my 4 children being born the day I made chief was the proudest of my life.....The Navy is unique......No other service has a pay grade like CPO......Officers at the NSC Pearl Harbor where I was stationed when I put on the hat would never give me the time of day when I wore a dixie cup on my head.....It was a whole different ball game when I put "The Hat" on.

well enough sea stories.
 
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You seem to think only the navy spends long times away from the PX. We can go toe to toe over who slept in the snow more, rain more, heat more, got more than just a few rounds popped off at them. I spent months away from civilians, troops overseas now are as 24/7 as you ever were on a ship at sea with a lot more opportunity to make that sacrifice at anytime from a suicide bomber or roadside bomb, a year at a time. Get over yourself. :roll:

Now funny you should mention wives, mine is a vet as well, hellova shot, cook, lover, and pretty sure no one is going to tell her she can't because she is a girl. She is a lot more apt to tell you to stand aside or get run over...

Anywho my radically right winged friend, you are attempting to turn time back. Women are literally onboard to stay.
 
I have to disagree...Few old Chiefs would call it a hazing and considered it and honor......

Few modern Chiefs would either...

Now Chief Clubs are going away (none at subase Bangor or PSNS)

Most of the major bases still have them.

Next to my marriage and my 4 children being born the day I made chief was the proudest of my life.....The Navy is unique......No other service has a pay grade like CPO......Officers at the NSC Pearl Harbor where I was stationed when I put on the hat would never give me the time of day when I wore a dixie cup on my head.....It was a whole different ball game when I put "The Hat" on.

Who gives a **** about what officers think?

well enough sea stories.

Never.
 
NP-
You seem to think only the navy spends long times away from the PX. We can go toe to toe over who slept in the snow more, rain more, heat more, got more than just a few rounds popped off at them. I spent months away from civilians, troops overseas now are as 24/7 as you ever were on a ship at sea with a lot more opportunity to make that sacrifice at anytime from a suicide bomber or roadside bomb, a year at a time. Get over yourself. :roll:

Now funny you should mention wives, mine is a vet as well, hellova shot, cook, lover, and pretty sure no one is going to tell her she can't because she is a girl. She is a lot more apt to tell you to stand aside or get run over...

Anywho my radically right winged friend, you are attempting to turn time back. Women are literally onboard to stay.


Of course your dead wrong..............I know other branches of the services have separations from families
but try over 90 straight days at sea then pull into Subic for 2 days and then back out to sea for another 90 where the only time you see a female is at a movie on the messdecks at night...........Come see me after you have done that.
 
Of course your dead wrong..............I know other branches of the services have separations from families
but try over 90 straight days at sea then pull into Subic for 2 days and then back out to sea for another 90 where the only time you see a female is at a movie on the messdecks at night...........Come see me after you have done that.

Come on, NP, we both know what 2 days in Subic is worth...
 
Come on, NP, we both know what 2 days in Subic is worth...

Tell you the truth Mac not one of my favorite liberty ports usually just went to the Club.....seems like we were always in Subic during the rainy season.
 
NP-
again you think your service is unique. Many young soldiers put in 6 months in doing daily patrols over the same ground giving the bad guys every opportunity to plot and plan their demise, no booze, no females, always the chance a mortar or rocket will drop in... then they get two weeks back home to fly back and finish the year ToD.

Senior NCO's come back with their units only to be reassigned to another unit gearing up to deploy in 3 month's time.

NP- you are not all that unique. You maybe confusing hindsight for insight.
 
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