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    Re: Ship Commander Fired After Harassment Claims

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Incorrect. Sexual harassment [in the military] has been a focus for over 20 years.
    That proves my point.

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    Re: Ship Commander Fired After Harassment Claims

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    dumbya wanted to continue the war in Iraq for 6 years. The people did not. Dictatorship 101.
    You don't understand. This is hopeless. I'm not sure where you got dictatorships and representative government confused, but it seems there's no fixing it.

    Is it because you want to believe that Iran's government is the same as the US?

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    Re: Ship Commander Fired After Harassment Claims

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    That proves my point.
    No it doesn't. Not in the least and for reasons you know so little about that you are going to make a fool of yourself stumbling through them.

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    Re: Ship Commander Fired After Harassment Claims

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    It's totally accurate. If it weren't, sexual harassment in the military wouldn't be the significant, chronic problem that it is.
    Some of us have served and have actual experience on this. Notice for example the stat NP is misusing, 22 out of 1500 commanders relieved. That is 1.5 % relieved for some reason, not harassment. The number for harassment is probably under 1 %, in fact, probably well under 1 %.

    In the military, you go to frequent training on this very subject. It is long, it is boring, and it is mandatory. When you have as many people as the military has however, some are going to be rule breakers. This was true before women could serve, will be true forever. Some will do drugs, some will drink on duty, some can't show up on time, some go AWOL(or UA), some get in fights, some create racial incidents. Do you think, since those are all "significant, chronic problems", that the military and government does not care?
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    Re: Ship Commander Fired After Harassment Claims

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You don't understand. This is hopeless. I'm not sure where you got dictatorships and representative government confused, but it seems there's no fixing it.
    Representative democracy is where the people can elect whomever they want...

    ...as opposed to 2 political parties run by corporations writing ballot access to lock everyone else out--that's a plutocracy, and that's the US.

    As a result, the US military fights wars for Exxon and Alcoa, not the people.

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    Is it because you want to believe that Iran's government is the same as the US?
    Almost, except the US is a plutocracy whereas Iran is a theocracy.

    In the US, the President takes orders from Exxon, Goldman Sachs, Alcoa, etc., and in Iran, the President takes orders from the Supreme Leader.

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    Re: Ship Commander Fired After Harassment Claims

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    It's totally accurate. If it weren't, sexual harassment in the military wouldn't be the significant, chronic problem that it is.
    I might add there is a zero tolerance for it so if someone is accused he is guilty until proven innocent............
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    Re: Ship Commander Fired After Harassment Claims

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    dumbya wanted to continue the war in Iraq for 6 years. The people did not. Dictatorship 101.
    Then the people could have ejected him from office forcibly or had him blocked through their elected representatives. If people are not willing to do what it takes, they don't care that much about what happens.
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    Re: Ship Commander Fired After Harassment Claims

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Some of us have served and have actual experience on this. Notice for example the stat NP is misusing, 22 out of 1500 commanders relieved. That is 1.5 % relieved for some reason, not harassment. The number for harassment is probably under 1 %, in fact, probably well under 1 %.

    In the military, you go to frequent training on this very subject. It is long, it is boring, and it is mandatory. When you have as many people as the military has however, some are going to be rule breakers. This was true before women could serve, will be true forever. Some will do drugs, some will drink on duty, some can't show up on time, some go AWOL(or UA), some get in fights, some create racial incidents. Do you think, since those are all "significant, chronic problems", that the military and government does not care?
    The rate of sexual harassment in the US military is significantly higher than in any civilian workplace environment.

    That alone is evidence that the government doesn't care, but the government's indifference is not surprising; the CINC, pols and the CEOs that own them have no incentive to care.

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    Re: Ship Commander Fired After Harassment Claims

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I might add there is a zero tolerance for it so if someone is accused he is guilty until proven innocent............
    And nothing will happen to him as long he's a goody-goody for the establishment.

    The dude mentioned in the OP screwed up in some other way. Sexual harassment is just an excuse the military uses to get rid of wayward officers that don't get with the program.

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    Re: Ship Commander Fired After Harassment Claims

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Almost, except the US is a plutocracy whereas Iran is a theocracy.

    In the US, the President takes orders from Exxon, Goldman Sachs, Alcoa, etc., and in Iran, the President takes orders from the Supreme Leader.
    Ok, so this is about equating the two. Now at least I understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    The dude mentioned in the OP screwed up in some other way. Sexual harassment is just an excuse the military uses to get rid of wayward officers that don't get with the program.
    Full-on CT probably helps too.

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