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    Re: Ship Commander Fired After Harassment Claims

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    So the US military is not smart. But they manage a massive conspiracy where anyone who does not rape women is kicked out on harassment charges to protect the cabal?
    there is no konspiracy and you got it all wrong. You have to understand the difference between on the record and off the record.

    On the record, the USN has a zero-tolerance policy on rape. It advertises that in order to get (gullible) women to join, since it's always in need of manpower (female or otherwise).

    Off the record, rape and harassment are permitted by senior officers, as long as those senior officers efficiently execute all orders by their superiors.

    The only time reports of harassment are ever acted upon are when one of those senior officers doesn't suck up to his superiors in cases where the failure to suck up cannot be easily identified as insubordination and prosecuted fast in a court martial.

    At that time, and only that time, the harassment reports on that officer are dug up and he is removed for sexual harassment.

    And that was likely the case w/the officer in the OP. He screwed up in his job, and so the military got rid of him by nailing him on harassment. OTOH, if he was a ruthlessly loyal, efficient officer, what incentive would uncle sammy have to remove him?

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    Re: Ship Commander Fired After Harassment Claims

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    Re: Ship Commander Fired After Harassment Claims

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    As and E6 on the USS LEXINGTON CVT-16 I had my own stateroom........

    Yeah and its much bigger to.......
    Then you didn't have to worry about it. Since when does a First get a stateroom?

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    Re: Ship Commander Fired After Harassment Claims

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Being a straight man I can tell you that straight men have no interest in sexually harrassing gay men.....My experience it is the other way around.
    The implication being that when it comes to a woman being harassed by a man she is partly responsible because "she wants it" whereas with you and a gay guy, you don't want harassment so it's different?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Ship Commander Fired After Harassment Claims

    Everyone just wants to go off on a tangent and disregard what navy pride has been trying to say....I didnt read where hes condoning sexual harrassment and/or making this into a gay thing...all of YOU are doing that not him.
    Hes trying to say that if you "FORCE" young men and women into very close quarters for long periods of time...human nature dictates ****s gonna happen...and If you dont think any of the WOMEN are being promiscuous and making matters worse at times...then your just being disengenuous.

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    Re: Ship Commander Fired After Harassment Claims

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Everyone just wants to go off on a tangent and disregard what navy pride has been trying to say....I didnt read where hes condoning sexual harrassment and/or making this into a gay thing...all of YOU are doing that not him.
    Hes trying to say that if you "FORCE" young men and women into very close quarters for long periods of time...human nature dictates ****s gonna happen...and If you dont think any of the WOMEN are being promiscuous and making matters worse at times...then your just being disengenuous.
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    Re: Ship Commander Fired After Harassment Claims

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    This is the kind of thing that happens when you allow women to serve aboard a Navy combatant.........The Navy should not be used for social experimentation.....It is there to fight our wars..........We have enough problems already without mixing the sexes......If they have to serve at sea then put them on all female ships.........
    so you're blaming females and not the person harrassing the females. Do you blame the rape victims too because they wore a skirt and were "asking for it"?

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    Re: Ship Commander Fired After Harassment Claims

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Everyone just wants to go off on a tangent and disregard what navy pride has been trying to say....I didnt read where hes condoning sexual harrassment and/or making this into a gay thing...all of YOU are doing that not him.
    Hes trying to say that if you "FORCE" young men and women into very close quarters for long periods of time...human nature dictates ****s gonna happen...and If you dont think any of the WOMEN are being promiscuous and making matters worse at times...then your just being disengenuous.
    So now it's just "human nature" for men to harrass women? Wow, you're digging a hole for yourself there.

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    Re: Ship Commander Fired After Harassment Claims

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Everyone just wants to go off on a tangent and disregard what navy pride has been trying to say....I didnt read where hes condoning sexual harrassment and/or making this into a gay thing...all of YOU are doing that not him.
    Hes trying to say that if you "FORCE" young men and women into very close quarters for long periods of time...human nature dictates ****s gonna happen
    "Close quarters" has nothing to do with it. One's sex drive can be controlled by mature adults.

    This crap happens in the military because the military has a shortage of mature adults (i. e. men). The military is full of losers/criminals with no education or life skills, since the only place that's willing to pay such losers a salary is the military, because in wars it's always too desperate for recruits.

    True, COs need to graduate w/a degree (i. e. from a military academy), but not surprisingly, the armed forces has a severe shortage of officers; most people w/sufficient noodle to do that would enter the civilian workforce.

    The US military therefore comprises mostly of enlisted men/women (mostly men) that are plucked off the streets, or COs that barely squeaked by.

    The evidence is all there: there are way too many stories about serial drug addicts, ex-felons, Neo-Nazis, drunks, etc. being accepted into the military. And whenever a woman finds herself among serial drug addicts, ex-felons, Neo-Nazis, drunks, etc., she'll be raped.

    And it's utterly silly to exect the government to enforce the zero-tolerance policy; the US government doesn't care how many rapes occur in the ranks. What incentive is there to care when it knows the people it recruits are too desperate to be picky?

    That policy is merely a PR stunt.

    It only cares about how its objective: subjugating enough people in foreign nations to make room for Exxon.
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