I assumed no such thing. The "bitch was asking for it" comment referred to supporters of this specific piece of legislation, and later, to the people who espoused similar views in this thread.
And that's a ridiculous, bigoted, hyperbolic assumption to make in regards to their intent, thinking, or belief. Doesn't matter if you were including me, I didn't think you were including me...making stupid statements about large groups of people is something that irks me regardless if I'm in that group of people or not.
This distinction makes no sense, because "ultimately she still made choices that led to the eventual scenario" is just a nicer way of saying "the bitch was asking for it." And when the law starts treating different types of rape differently and blaming the woman/girl in some of those cases, then it basically ceases to be rape at all. The law would essentially be telling women that their trauma is less real than someone else's, and they are ultimately to blame for the consequences.
No, it's not. There's a distinct difference between suggesting that an individual "asked" to be raped and suggesting that an individual did things that increased the chance that it could happen. If I leave my keys in my car and my doors unlocked I am not "asking for my car to be stollen". However, I am taking risky actions that enhances the chance of that happening.
Suggesting someone is responsable for the poor decisions they make is not suggesting they are responsable for the bad act that someone else did by taking advantage of those decisions. I am not responsible for my car being stolen, the thief is. A woman is not responsable for being raped, the rapist is. However, depending on what actions I took, I could be repsonsable for putting my car in a situation where theft became more likely or more easily viable. Similarly, depending on actoins taken, a woman could be responsable for putting herself in a situation where the rape became more likely or more easily viable. That does not make either less of a victim, that does not make either to "blame" for the act that followed, but your emotional need to suggest that anyone who points that out is "blaming" the victim is not coherent to reality.
What the law would be doing is telling some women that the violation of the law that occured to them was of a lesser degree than the violation of the law that would occur to others, due to surrounding circumstances regarding the situation. That, I would agree with you in terms of what the law is doing. What I disagree with is that such a thing is equating to those individuals believing "Bitch had it coming".
Over the top partisan rhetoric? I think I've made *one* reference to politics at all in this thread...and that was just to say that this so-called "distraction" issue could disappear if Republicans just stopped doing crap like this. I'd hardly call that "over the top partisan rhetoric."
You began by criticizing Republicans and a Republican bill based on a republican issue by stereotyping the mindset of individuals that are likely to support this, IE pro-life people, by suggesting they all just think "Bitch had it coming". Dress it up any way you want...the attack was firmly rooted in bitterness and distaste for Republicans and their view points and the need to attack and score political points by degrading, attacking, ridiculing, and mocking in a way that grossly exaggerates and contorts the thought process of that side.
See above re: "partisan." And it isn't "over the top, ridiculous, or ignorant" to frame that viewpoint in those terms...it's an accurate portrayal of their views in many cases. People in this thread have basically advocated the "bitch was asking for it" view in different words (see post #71 for an example). Hell, you yourself suggested it in this post (albeit in the beliefs of a hypothetical pro-lifer who supported this legislation).
No, it's not accurate. There's not been a single person in this threads whose view point could honestly and factually be delcared as "Bitch was asking for it". It's a hyperbolic, exaggerated, inflammatory method of twisting the actual thoughts, views, and statements of those on the other side of you in this argument to suit your ends without a care regaridng the integrity and honesty of your means.
