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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    And once again, the 18/16 year old thing is a red herring. If that's the issue, then your problem is with the DEFINITION of statutory rape, not the fact that statutory rape is somehow a "lesser" kind of rape that is less traumatic (and therefore where the victim is more at fault for her pregnancy). What if it was a 12 year old and a 30 year old?
    statutory rape is a lesser kind of rape. It doesn't carry anywhere near the emotional baggage found in forced rape scenarios.

    as for a 12 year old getting pregnant. I propose her family is on the hook for the unexpected costs of getting that abortion, assuming they can't get the 30 year old to pay of course.

    good luck getting the violent felon that forcibly rapes women to pay for it.

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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

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    You don't seem to understand what statutory rape is. Both individuals may in fact be consenting, but because one does not meet the legal age for consent, it is rape under statute. So no "secretly" neccessary, the girl and/or boy may indeed have "wanted it", but lack the proper age to legally consent.
    Again. Same issue. Your problem is that you don't like the DEFINITION of statutory rape. That's fine, work to change it. But it's bull**** to say that a form of sex that society has deemed sufficiently traumatic to be labeled "rape" and to (theoretically) land someone in prison for years, is NOT sufficiently traumatic to justify an abortion.
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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

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    statutory rape is a lesser kind of rape. It doesn't carry anywhere near the emotional baggage found in forced rape scenarios.

    as for a 12 year old getting pregnant. I propose her family is on the hook for the unexpected costs of getting that abortion, assuming they can't get the 30 year old to pay of course.

    good luck getting the violent felon that forcibly rapes women to pay for it.
    Wow. And to think I've been called "retarded" in this thread for suggesting that what you just said is a fairly common viewpoint. Thanks for spelling it out so clearly though.
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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Again. Same issue. Your problem is that you don't like the DEFINITION of statutory rape. That's fine, work to change it. But it's bull**** to say that a form of sex that society has deemed sufficiently traumatic to be labeled "rape" and to (theoretically) land someone in prison for years, is NOT sufficiently traumatic to justify an abortion.
    Again, this thread is about when tax payers should pay.

    in statutory rape, I do hold the parents somewhat responsible for the actions of their kids. If you have a child, it is your responsibility to make sure he/she isn't sexually active, and if they become sexually active, it isn't the tax payers problem.

    That you are trying to turn this into a Roe Wade style debate shows again your level of dishonesty

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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Again. Same issue. Your problem is that you don't like the DEFINITION of statutory rape. That's fine, work to change it. But it's bull**** to say that a form of sex that society has deemed sufficiently traumatic to be labeled "rape" and to (theoretically) land someone in prison for years, is NOT sufficiently traumatic to justify an abortion.
    No, again, you don't understand, or are being deliberately obtuse about, what statutory rape is. It is NOT because of some level of trauma, but more about lacking the ability to legally consent. Trauma is dealt with an additonal charge of aggravated or forcible rape.

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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

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    the economy is in shambles, and liberals would prefer that the national dialogue be this?

    because this is what matters? or is it that their reelection hinges on us focusing on these tertiary items?

    I think the answer is pretty obvious. liberals have no shame. none.
    You might want to step down from your high horse before you get hurt.... Romney and Ryan have an open mike and national attention as well. They are just as free to set the dialogue, but they instead want to talk about Medicare (which is a bit of joke for them to discuss).... They have yet to present any tangible economic solutions. There is no specific tax plan and or jobs plan. They certainly do not want to create such, as it would be a disaster for them...

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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    Again, this thread is about when tax payers should pay.
    The same distinction exists. Why should taxpayers have to pay for an abortion in one kind of rape, but not the other? It's all about how "legitimate" you consider the rape to be, as you've all but explicitly stated.

    in statutory rape, I do hold the parents somewhat responsible for the actions of their kids. If you have a child, it is your responsibility to make sure he/she isn't sexually active, and if they become sexually active, it isn't the tax payers problem.
    Did it ever occur to you that the parents, guardians, or relatives are the perpetrators in a large amount of statutory rape cases?

    That you are trying to turn this into a Roe Wade style debate shows again your level of dishonesty
    The distinction between legal/illegal or taxpayer-funded/not funded isn't terribly important. Either way you are suggesting that some forms of rape are more legitimate than others, and should be treated differently under the law.
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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    You might want to step down from your high horse before you get hurt.... Romney and Ryan have an open mike and national attention as well. They are just as free to set the dialogue, but they instead want to talk about Medicare (which is a bit of joke for them to discuss).... They have yet to present any tangible economic solutions. There is no specific tax plan and or jobs plan. They certainly do not want to create such, as it would be a disaster for them...
    yes an open mike

    ~ what does forcible rape mean?

    ~ rape is rape is rape

    ~ why won't you answer the question.

    nice open mike we got there. /sarcasm

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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, again, you don't understand, or are being deliberately obtuse about, what statutory rape is. It is NOT because of some level of trauma, but more about lacking the ability to legally consent. Trauma is dealt with an additonal charge of aggravated or forcible rape.
    So you don't think there's any trauma involved if a 12-year-old "consents" to sex with a grown man? Let me ask you this: Why do you think statutory rape laws exist in the first place?
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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The same distinction exists. Why should taxpayers have to pay for an abortion in one kind of rape, but not the other? It's all about how "legitimate" you consider the rape to be, as you've all but explicitly stated.
    Taxpayers shouldn't pay for forcible rape either, but it is not logical to expect the felon going to jail for a long time to pay for it.

    It is reasonable for the parents of minors to pay for sexually active dependents however


    Did it ever occur to you that the parents, guardians, or relatives are the perpetrators in a large amount of statutory rape cases?

    you mean incest? your ignorance in this thread is comical.

    "No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act," which would prohibit federal funding of abortions except in instances of "an act of forcible rape or, if a minor, an act of incest."

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