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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    You know, as of late you've been really great at angry bluster and indignation, but you can never seem to actually defend said views. So I'm racking my brain trying to think of any possible other reason to draw a distinction between "forcible rape" and other types of rape, when it comes to abortion rights, and I'm still coming up blank. So in your considerable wisdom, perhaps you can help me out here and provide such a reason.
    In a typical rape, carrying the unborn child of the person that raped you is akin to being raped all over again. Every day you are reminded of that horrific event.

    Statutory Rape is obviously different. In most cases, the state is acting on your behalf in a manner that completely contradicts your own view on the issue.

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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You answered your own question. Statutory rape is not forcible rape. And there most certainly should be a distinction. A 17-year-old bangin' his 15-year-old girlfriend with her consent is certainly not in the same category as forcible rape. Nor should it be.
    Then your problem is with the legal definition of statutory rape, period, not with the forcible/nonforcible rape distinction when it comes to abortion rights. If a 12-year-old girl gets pregnant from "consensual" sex with a 30-year-old man, how is that any less rape than if it had been forcible?
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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    In a typical rape, carrying the unborn child of the person that raped you is akin to being raped all over again. Every day you are reminded of that horrific event.

    Statutory Rape is obviously different. In most cases, the state is acting on your behalf in a manner that completely contradicts your own view on the issue.
    Thank you for summarizing the "bitch probably wanted it" viewpoint so concisely. If anyone else cares to be outraged that I would suggest that anyone actually believes that, I'll just refer them to your post.
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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Thank you for summarizing the "bitch probably wanted it" viewpoint so concisely. If anyone else cares to be outraged that I would suggest that anyone actually believes that, I'll just refer them to your post.
    thank you for proving once again that you can't approach a subject with honesty and maturity got to get those talking points and emotionally driven messages in at every possible moment, don't you?

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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    thank you for proving once again that you can't approach a subject with honesty and maturity got to get those talking points and emotionally driven messages in at every possible moment, don't you?
    Oh spare me the bull****. You said that abortion is less justified in the case of statutory rape because the state is acting "in a manner that completely contradicts [the girl's] own view on the issue." In other words, the girl secretly wanted it.
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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Oh spare me the bull****. You said that abortion is less justified in the case of statutory rape because the state is acting "in a manner that completely contradicts [the girl's] own view on the issue." In other words, the girl secretly wanted it.
    This thread is about tax payer funding of abortion Kandahar, not about allowing abortion.

    Many of us have different ideas about statutory rape anyway. An 18 year old impregnating a 16 year old is not the same situation. The 16 year old parents can and should pay for that abortion, as should the 18 year old.

    but hey, you keep throwing those emotionally charged rants out there to see what sticks.

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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Oh spare me the bull****. You said that abortion is less justified in the case of statutory rape because the state is acting "in a manner that completely contradicts [the girl's] own view on the issue." In other words, the girl secretly wanted it.
    You don't seem to understand what statutory rape is. Both individuals may in fact be consenting, but because one does not meet the legal age for consent, it is rape under statute. So no "secretly" neccessary, the girl and/or boy may indeed have "wanted it", but lack the proper age to legally consent.

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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Then your problem is with the legal definition of statutory rape, period, not with the forcible/nonforcible rape distinction when it comes to abortion rights. If a 12-year-old girl gets pregnant from "consensual" sex with a 30-year-old man, how is that any less rape than if it had been forcible?
    I'm not talking about any distinction...other than there is one. The only problem I have with rape laws as they currently exist is the fact that, in many states, an 18-year-old having consensual sex with a 15-year-old would be required to register as a sex offender for a period of years.
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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    This thread is about tax payer funding of abortion Kandahar, not about allowing abortion.

    Many of us have different ideas about statutory rape anyway. An 18 year old impregnating a 16 year old is not the same situation. The 16 year old parents can and should pay for that abortion, as should the 18 year old.

    but hey, you keep throwing those emotionally charged rants out there to see what sticks.
    And once again, the 18/16 year old thing is a red herring. If that's the issue, then your problem is with the DEFINITION of statutory rape, not the fact that statutory rape is somehow a "lesser" kind of rape that is less traumatic (and therefore where the victim is more at fault for her pregnancy). What if it was a 12 year old and a 30 year old?
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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Hillarious that people have issue with posters referencing some citizens as "parasites" but have no issue suggesting someone's statement is "about right" when they sum up the views of the other side as "Bitch was probably asking for it".

    No, it's not "about right". Drugged falls under various definitions of forceable rape. Furthermore, there's nothing indicating anywhere at all that the reason for the split is because "The bitch ws probably asking for it". This is as retarded as any other instance in the abortion debate when a person ignorantly places their own view point onto the other side and then proceeds to judge the other sides intention with that in mind.

    For ****s sake.
    And you are right there correcting over the top rhetoric all the time....right......

    Drugged falls under some definitions of forcible rape, but not others. Some require violence or the thread of violence. Guess maybe your guys should have maybe been more clear...
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