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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    Ryan co-signed the bill because it was the right thing to do. Forcible rape is essentially unlawful rape. The way I read that is unless it is determined that a crime has been committed (not just someone saying abort this thing i was raped to get a free abortion) then the government is not going to pay for it. Why on Earth would that upset people?
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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Of course I don't support it, but when you call out the left as using it as a distraction while the right is doing the same thing is pretty hypocritical don't you think? Do you support the right making a big deal out of it, especially having it put in their platform?

    Where is your outrage of the right doing it.

    The problem is social conservatism is so rooted in the GOP, it makes it impossible to support them. Obama should be losing by a landslide right now, but instead of focusing on fiscal conservatism the GOP wants to focus on social conservatism.
    the right is using abortion as a distraction? how? where?

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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    the right is using abortion as a distraction? how? where?
    Adopting abortion into the platform, Akin comments (he is a righty you know and talked about it), legislation, parrating that all abortions are wrong.

    It's hilarious watching the righties give passes to their fellow comrades and then complain about the left.

    Pathetic and hypocritical at best.

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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Exactly. Forcible rape is a legal term. Look it up.
    Oh that would be too much to expect, and rob the OP of making a mountain out of a mole hill.
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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Cases have been publicized where the PP crew used the excuse of rape/incest of a minor (to get gov't funding) yet did not even report the act, much less collect any evidence.
    Well maybe the patient didn't WANT to report the act, or maybe there wasn't any evidence. Ever think of that?

    You can not have it both ways, alleging that a crime has occurred yet making no attempt to report/prosecute the crime.
    Of course you can. No one is on trial if a woman is just seeking an abortion (rather than testifying in court against a rapist), so there can absolutely be situations where no one is prosecuted but a rape still occurred.

    I certainly would not expect only a conviction to count, but certainly enough evidence to prove that a crime has occurred, even if the perp was not known to the victim; obviously DNA evidence exists with any prenancy so that should be collected and checked at a minimum.
    Or how about you just leave rape victims alone? What the hell is the point of this exercise anyway? To prove that the woman isn't a dirty slut who *gasp* chose to have sex?
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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Adopting abortion into the platform, Akin comments (he is a righty you know and talked about it), legislation, parrating that all abortions are wrong.

    It's hilarious watching the righties give passes to their fellow comrades and then complain about the left.

    Pathetic and hypocritical at best.
    the right don't put abortion in their platform as a distraction.

    the left are pushing this dialogue about forcible rape to distract.

    Ryan said rape is rape. honest people would now let this die a natural death, but not the actual hypocrites and dishonest amongst us. they will continue to hope this distraction takes away focus on things that matter. They will do everything in their power to aid in keeping this distraction in focus.

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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    the right don't put abortion in their platform as a distraction.

    the left are pushing this dialogue about forcible rape to distract.
    There wouldn't be any dialogue about the issue in the first place if Republicans stopped saying and doing these kinds of things. If they don't want to get called out on it, then they can stop doing it. It's really that simple.
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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Well maybe the patient didn't WANT to report the act, or maybe there wasn't any evidence. Ever think of that?



    Of course you can. No one is on trial if a woman is just seeking an abortion (rather than testifying in court against a rapist), so there can absolutely be situations where no one is prosecuted but a rape still occurred.



    Or how about you just leave rape victims alone? What the hell is the point of this exercise anyway? To prove that the woman isn't a dirty slut who *gasp* chose to have sex?
    Excellent post!

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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    There wouldn't be any dialogue about the issue in the first place if Republicans stopped saying and doing these kinds of things. If they don't want to get called out on it, then they can stop doing it. It's really that simple.
    Asking that Romney has to answer for all the things republicans say is an obvious distraction from the issues he does speak on. It really is that simple.

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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    Asking that Romney has to answer for all the things republicans say is an obvious distraction from the issues he does speak on. It really is that simple.
    I'm not talking about Romney specifically, I'm talking about the Republican Party in general. If Republicans view this as a "distraction" and want to run on economic issues in future elections, then all they have to do is stop proposing nasty legislation like this, stop making ignorant and misogynistic comments, and generally let it go. The fact that they DON'T do these things indicates that it's NOT merely a distraction, but rather an important belief to their party.

    As for Romney specifically, I don't think he believes this "forcible rape" crap, mainly because I don't think he believes anything at all. But he did tell Mike Huckabee last year that he would "absolutely" support a "Personhood Amendment" which would guarantee a right to life from the moment of conception (thereby outlawing all abortion, in vitro fertilization, and some popular forms of contraception). And so it's perfectly legitimate to call him out on that bull****. Again, if he only wanted to run on economic issues and didn't want to get called on this, he shouldn't have done it in the first place.
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