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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    All romney and ryan do is run their mouths and refuse to explain anything they want to do....this has gone way beyond just ridiculous


    GOP vice presidential contender Paul Ryan declined to explain what is meant by "forcible rape" in abortion legislation he co-sponsored with embattled Rep. Todd Akin.Ryan, a Wisconsin congressman, and Akin are among the 227 co-sponsors of the "No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act," which would prohibit federal funding of abortions except in instances of "an act of forcible rape or, if a minor, an act of incest."


    Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language
    The purpose of the bill is to define, as narrowly as possible, when tax money can be used to fund an abortion. It is my understanding that no federal abortion funding is legal now, so adding any should be seen as progress by the "pro-choice" crowd. If the situation resulting in pregnancy is such that no criminal charges were brought then the act was not "criminal", so the abortion cost should not be the responsibility of the (federal) gov't. Many wish to have a "loophole" that allows federal abortion funding for all abortions simply by saying that the pregnacy was "not desired", thus making abortion into an "after the fact" gov't funded contraception option.
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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The purpose of the bill is to define, as narrowly as possible, when tax money can be used to fund an abortion. It is my understanding that no federal abortion funding is legal now, so adding any should be seen as progress by the "pro-choice" crowd. If the situation resulting in pregnancy is such that no criminal charges were brought then the act was not "criminal", so the abortion cost should not be the responsibility of the (federal) gov't. Many wish to have a "loophole" that allows federal abortion funding for all abortions simply by saying that the pregnacy was "not desired", thus making abortion into an "after the fact" gov't funded contraception option.
    Looks to be not true: http://www.nchla.org/datasource/ifac...deAm22a.08.pdf

    None of the funds appropriated under this Act shall be expended
    for any abortion except when it is made known to the federal
    entity or official to which funds are appropriated under this Act
    that such procedure is necessary to save the life of the mother or
    that the pregnancy is the result of an act of rape or incest.
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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So now actual criminal charges of rape or incest are needed to make the abortion gov't funded?
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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    If the situation resulting in pregnancy is such that no criminal charges were brought then the act was not "criminal", so the abortion cost should not be the responsibility of the (federal) gov't.
    This isn't true at all; the vast majority of rapes are never even reported, much less successfully prosecuted. Just because there is no criminal conviction doesn't mean that a rape didn't occur.
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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    So now actual criminal charges of rape or incest are needed to make the abortion gov't funded?
    It does not say how the determination is made and I am not sure how it is done.
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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    the economy is in shambles, and liberals would prefer that the national dialogue be this?

    because this is what matters? or is it that their reelection hinges on us focusing on these tertiary items?

    I think the answer is pretty obvious. liberals have no shame. none.

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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    the economy is in shambles, and liberals would prefer that the national dialogue be this?

    because this is what matters? or is it that their reelection hinges on us focusing on these tertiary items?

    I think the answer is pretty obvious. liberals have no shame. none.
    The right has brought up abortion more than the left. In fact, the GOP made a big deal out of instituting in their platform abortions to not be supported in any case.

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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It does not say how the determination is made and I am not sure how it is done.
    Perhaps that should be defined. To have laws that are vague, and lack any definition are useless, since many judges have differing opinions. There was an attempt to change the clear meaning of "life" of the mother to "health" of the mother, that could have meant anything from minor mental distress to a life threatening physical condition. What this thread is about is making a clear definition of the term rape, which I feel is definitely needed. Cases have been publicized where the PP crew used the excuse of rape/incest of a minor (to get gov't funding) yet did not even report the act, much less collect any evidence. You can not have it both ways, alleging that a crime has occurred yet making no attempt to report/prosecute the crime. I certainly would not expect only a conviction to count, but certainly enough evidence to prove that a crime has occurred, even if the perp was not known to the victim; obviously DNA evidence exists with any prenancy so that should be collected and checked at a minimum.
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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    The right has brought up abortion more than the left. In fact, the GOP made a big deal out of instituting in their platform abortions to not be supported in any case.
    the left is bringing it up in an attempt to not focus on economic issues. Do you support this diversion for political reasons, or because the issue needs the national focus?

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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    the left is bringing it up in an attempt to not focus on economic issues. Do you support this diversion for political reasons, or because the issue needs the national focus?
    Of course I don't support it, but when you call out the left as using it as a distraction while the right is doing the same thing is pretty hypocritical don't you think? Do you support the right making a big deal out of it, especially having it put in their platform?

    Where is your outrage of the right doing it.

    The problem is social conservatism is so rooted in the GOP, it makes it impossible to support them. Obama should be losing by a landslide right now, but instead of focusing on fiscal conservatism the GOP wants to focus on social conservatism.

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