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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    All romney and ryan do is run their mouths and refuse to explain anything they want to do....this has gone way beyond just ridiculous


    GOP vice presidential contender Paul Ryan declined to explain what is meant by "forcible rape" in abortion legislation he co-sponsored with embattled Rep. Todd Akin.Ryan, a Wisconsin congressman, and Akin are among the 227 co-sponsors of the "No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act," which would prohibit federal funding of abortions except in instances of "an act of forcible rape or, if a minor, an act of incest."


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    The article says there were 227 co-sponsors, including Mr. Ryan. I'm doubtful that you can extrapolate much of his opinion on the matter from that. It is routine for people to sponsor party bills who's language they have not meticulously examined and may not support. Based on what we know of Ryan I'd be surprised if he shared Akin's perspective.

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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    The article says there were 227 co-sponsors, including Mr. Ryan. I'm doubtful that you can extrapolate much of his opinion on the matter from that. It is routine for people to sponsor party bills who's language they have not meticulously examined and may not support. Based on what we know of Ryan I'd be surprised if he shared Akin's perspective.
    Dont have too it wasnt the other 226 that was asked to explain his postion it was him and hes the only one running for Vice President.

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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Dont have too it wasnt the other 226 that was asked to explain his postion it was him and hes the only one running for Vice President.
    I believe he did, didn't he? ""Rape is rape. There is no splitting hairs over rape," Ryan told KDKA-TV in Pittsburgh, when asked twice about the "forcible rape" language and his opposition to abortion. The interview aired this morning." That sounds like his answer to me.

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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I believe he did, didn't he? ""Rape is rape. There is no splitting hairs over rape," Ryan told KDKA-TV in Pittsburgh, when asked twice about the "forcible rape" language and his opposition to abortion. The interview aired this morning." That sounds like his answer to me.
    Yeah, that sounds like his answer now, but that was not the language in the bill.
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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Actually it is not. The term has absolutely no legal definition. That was one of the biggest issues with this legislation. It would have created a nightmare for every state as they tried to figure out what did and did not fall within that category. It is not defined anywhere.
    Definition for forcible rape:
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    In criminal law, rape is an assault by a person involving sexual intercourse with another person without that person's consent. ....
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    Forcible rape, as defined in the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program, is the carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will. Attempts or assaults to commit rape by force or threat of force are also included; however, statutory rape (without force) and other sex offenses are excluded. Forcible Rape - Crime in the United States 2009
    Forcible Rape, by UCR definition, it the carnal knowledge of a person forcibly or against that person’s will, or when a victim is mentally or physically incapable of giving consent. Attempts to commit rape are included in this category. One offense is counted for each victim of rape. Statutory rapes and other types of sexual assaults are not counted as rape under the UCR program. FORCIBLE RAPE
    Forcible rape is a rape where the anal or vaginal sexual intercourse is deemed to be without the lawful consent of the victim. In a forcible rape, the victim is prevented from resisting the sexual act because of the offender’s use of force or threats of physical violence, under circumstances where the victim reasonably believes that such resistance would not prevent the rape. [Edwards v. Butler, 882 F.2d 160, 163 (5th Cir. 1989)]. Attempts to commit rape are also included as forcible rape. Forcible Rape Law & Legal Definition
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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    I believe he did, didn't he? ""Rape is rape. There is no splitting hairs over rape," Ryan told KDKA-TV in Pittsburgh, when asked twice about the "forcible rape" language and his opposition to abortion. The interview aired this morning." That sounds like his answer to me.
    Reread my first post k and then you may understand what he wasnt responding too...my post wasnt discussing rape or its definition...but that ryan REFUSES to explalin HIS postion...hope this clears it up for you

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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    This whole abortion debate makes me so sick, I want to vomit bloody chunks.

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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Reread my first post k and then you may understand what he wasnt responding too...my post wasnt discussing rape or its definition...but that ryan REFUSES to explalin HIS postion...hope this clears it up for you
    On abortion? I'm sure we can all guess it, and it was alluded to in the article. He likely believes abortion should be illegal in all circumstances except when the mothers life is in danger. It is a controversial time to be talking about abortion at the moment and he's avoiding drawing distractive fire. Abortion is not what he wants to be talking about. And I'm extremely grateful for that.

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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
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    Those are not legal definitions for the US. AS an example, the FBI one is for data collection purposes.

    Laws regarding rape - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    There is no national rape law in the United States, due to the United States v. Morrison ruling that parts of the Violence Against Women Act of 1994 were unconstitutional. Each state has its own laws concerning sexual aggression. Nor is there any national standard in the US for defining and reporting male-male or female-perpetrated rapes. In most states, the definition of rape is broad, with respect to genders and the nature of the acts involved.[36]
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    Re: Paul Ryan won't explain 'forcible rape' language

    Ryan was with Todd Akin writing that bill ! They purposely wrote the words "forcible rape" meaning a woman better be bruised and bloodied to prove it was rape in order to get an abortion basically if it wasn't violent then it wasn't rape. Such ugly vile men!

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