Page 3 of 10 FirstFirst 12345 ... LastLast
Results 21 to 30 of 93

Thread: Middle-class poorer, earned less in 2000s

  1. #21
    Banned
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Naperville, IL
    Last Seen
    09-24-12 @ 02:14 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    11,963

    Re: Middle-class poorer, earned less in 2000s

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Always been true? It wasn't true in the early 80'sReagan, wasn't true in the early 90'sBush I, wasn't true in the in the earlyBush II 00's... (I see a pattern here).
    I see that Reagan raised taxes as a mid-80s course correction that helped a little. Then Clinton raised them again and reformed welfare, which really got us back on track. But then we elected W. twice.

    We were smart to not raise taxes in 2008-2009 (lesson learned from Hoover 1928), but the stimulus, the wars, the programs need to be paid for and the debt needs to be paid down. It's time for us all to tighten our belts. If businesses have hired as many people as they currently can, then we need to raise taxes on those that have the most to lose by a total collapse, cut all unnecessary programs and waste, and start some major public works programs to further get the economy going again.

    Re: Military Spending -- you realize that is essentially a major public works program. It is major stimulus spending and therefore good for the most part. As long as contractors deliver products on time and services as promised. To the extent we build more ships/planes than we really need--that is Keynesian, but the GOP never talks about that. Lobbyists won't let them. Dems seem to be the only party that wants to review what we spend on Military and see that we are getting the most bang for our buck (cut waste).

  2. #22
    Sage
    lpast's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Fla
    Last Seen
    05-21-16 @ 10:12 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    13,565

    Re: Middle-class poorer, earned less in 2000s

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Actually that's the assessment of the Congressional Budget Office, the International Monetary Fund, and pretty much anyone else who has ever looked at our numbers.
    Will if there were dead middleclass bodies piled 20 high all around you....you would somehow find a way to spin how wonderful the rich is and how those dead middleclass screwed them

  3. #23
    Sage
    lpast's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Fla
    Last Seen
    05-21-16 @ 10:12 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    13,565

    Re: Middle-class poorer, earned less in 2000s

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Nah... that can't be right.

    W. gave those tax cuts to the wealthy and the prosperity was supposed to 'trickle down'.

    Free up the free market with deregulation and everybody wins, right?


    Were into the centuries where it trickles up

  4. #24
    Sage
    Boo Radley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Last Seen
    11-22-17 @ 04:22 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    36,858

    Re: Middle-class poorer, earned less in 2000s

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    How would that change anything? The people of this country give their money to big businesses. That is why the rich have most of the money. The government cannot fix that. People need to change that. Stop giving money to big businesses and instead give your money to small business owners (essentially the middle and lower classes of America). If you want to see what is causing the wealth disparity go sit outside walmart and count the people going in and out. Go inside and look at what they are buying. Then go look at a small business run by a local person downtown and do the same. There is your problem. Government cannot fix that.
    That too is part of the problem, to be sure. But the relationship between government and business is also a huge problem.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

  5. #25
    Sage
    Boo Radley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Last Seen
    11-22-17 @ 04:22 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    36,858

    Re: Middle-class poorer, earned less in 2000s

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    weak minded babble that is contrary to economic reality

    helping unions is contrary to economic reality

    that reality being global labor markets
    Well, we haven't helped unions on the whole, and look where we are. Perhaps you could step up and provide some evidence?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

  6. #26
    Sage
    Kreton's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    Colorado Springs
    Last Seen
    11-13-17 @ 08:01 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    6,118

    Re: Middle-class poorer, earned less in 2000s

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That too is part of the problem, to be sure. But the relationship between government and business is also a huge problem.
    i agree with that.
    “Most people do not listen with the intent to understand; they listen with the intent to reply.”
    Stephen R. Covey


  7. #27
    Sage
    cpwill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    USofA
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 08:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    57,115

    Re: Middle-class poorer, earned less in 2000s

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Will if there were dead middleclass bodies piled 20 high all around you....you would somehow find a way to spin how wonderful the rich is and how those dead middleclass screwed them
    yeah. the CBO saying that our current fiscal path is unsustainable is just part of a plot to extend to rich people the right to start machine gunning the middle class

  8. #28
    Sage
    lpast's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Fla
    Last Seen
    05-21-16 @ 10:12 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    13,565

    Re: Middle-class poorer, earned less in 2000s

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    yeah. the CBO saying that our current fiscal path is unsustainable is just part of a plot to extend to rich people the right to start machine gunning the middle class

    If they could make a few bucks more and the middleclass wouldnt annihilate them...they would give it a go ...I bet theres more middleclass marines than rich one percenters :Pppppppp

  9. #29
    Disappointed Evolutionist
    Catawba's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Last Seen
    05-28-13 @ 08:15 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    27,254

    Re: Middle-class poorer, earned less in 2000s

    More bad news for Romney in the Pew study:

    "respondents said Obama's policies were better for the middle class than Romney's by a 52% to 42% margin."
    Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our Children. ~ Ancient American Indian Proverb

  10. #30
    warrior of the wetlands
    TurtleDude's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Ohio
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:00 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    180,700

    Re: Middle-class poorer, earned less in 2000s

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Return to free market capitalism.
    great idea. too many politicians would have a cow.

Page 3 of 10 FirstFirst 12345 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •