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California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

Brilliant!

Deterrence is a farce. So your plan would just result in more cases being tried in the street. Represe ted by Smith and Wesson.

Yall just hate it when your capitalist utopia doesnt work out.

People dont want to be peasants.

We pay CEOs exhorbitant sums because we "need" them.

We don't pay CEO's. CEO's get their money from their companies. Companies get their money because consumers give it to them because they want their goods and services.

So since we "need" farm workers farmers are going to pay what the market will bear.

The reality is we pay our farm workers here far more than what the market demands. The market demands cheap labor which is why mexican produce out sells american produce.


Seasonal migratory back breaking minimum wage work will be resisted by anybody with sense. Sitting in a gas station all night pays about the same. **** picking cotton.

This attitude right here is why America is failing. ****ing pathetic laziness.
 
We don't pay CEO's. CEO's get their money from their companies. Companies get their money because consumers give it to them because they want their goods and services.



The reality is we pay our farm workers here far more than what the market demands. The market demands cheap labor which is why mexican produce out sells american produce.




This attitude right here is why America is failing. ****ing pathetic laziness.

Youre forgetting as well that most illegal migrant farm workers live as squatters.

America is an expensive place to live.

So if your industry cant afford to compete with forwign companies, too bad.

Stop asking Americans to compete with peasants in foreign countries. We simply cant afford to live HERE on what they pay THERE.
 
Youre forgetting as well that most illegal migrant farm workers live as squatters.

America is an expensive place to live.

So if your industry cant afford to compete with forwign companies, too bad.

Stop asking Americans to compete with peasants in foreign countries. We simply cant afford to live HERE on what they pay THERE.

Which wouldnt be such a big deal but Americans don't buy American goods. If we dont buy our products and the rest of the world doesnt either how exactly do you think we are going to survive? Our industries cannot compete with foreign companies because of how we pay our employees here.

Americans either need to work for much less or start buying products made for at a higher price.
 
Food is grown all over the world. that same food is imported from all over the world. These farmers are not just competing with other american farmers.

Holy ****ing hand grenade of antioch. Are you actually mentally retarded, or is it just an act that you use to make conservatives look bad?
 
Holy ****ing hand grenade of antioch. Are you actually mentally retarded, or is it just an act that you use to make conservatives look bad?

are you ****ing retarded? I am not a conservative nor would I want to be. How the hell am i making conservatives look bad? Your little ideas that it is better to have people on welfare than work is not something I would consider conservative. Or it is better to be a criminal than work is not something i think most conservatives think.

furthermore when your dumbass can get around to actually addressing my posts feel free to try. your argument has failed to the point of just saying are you retarded. Make a point or tuck your tail back between your legs and scamper off.
 
Food is grown all over the world. that same food is imported from all over the world. These farmers are not just competing with other american farmers.

Good thing too, otherwise I would have to do without some fruits and vegitables. I won't purchase any product that is labled "Product of California" or any product I know is made there. I refuse to let any of my money knowingly go to a bunch of liberal socialist trying to totally screw up my country. I'd rather give it to Mexico or Chile. They may also be heavily socialist, but they are foriegn socialist not ones in our country trying to **** us over.
 
Good thing too, otherwise I would have to do without some fruits and vegitables. I won't purchase any product that is labled "Product of California" or any product I know is made there. I refuse to let any of my money knowingly go to a bunch of liberal socialist trying to totally screw up my country. I'd rather give it to Mexico or Chile. They may also be heavily socialist, but they are foriegn socialist not ones in our country trying to **** us over.

I call bull****. I bet you are like most of america and buy what is cheapest. Mexico is cheaper so you justify enhancing their economy at the sake of ours because you are greedy. You can try to justify it by politisizing it but in the end, you buy what's cheap.

America demands high wages and refuses to buy anything that is not made in sub-humane conditions.
 
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I call bull****. I bet you are like most of america and buy what is cheapest. Mexico is cheaper so you justify enhancing their economy at the sake of ours because you are greedy. You can try to justify it by politisizing it but in the end, you buy what's cheap.

America demands high wages and refuses to buy anything that is not made in sub-humane conditions.

Actually, you would be incorrect. My primary set of hand tools are Craftsman, the only set I found that says "made in America" and gave at least double of what the same basic set would of cost me in Kobalt, Huskey, Stanely or others. True, I didn't step all the way up to Snap-On or Mac, but heck, I don't even know where I would find one of their trucks out here. The BX sells craftsman now, as long as they are made in America, I will probably stick with them.

My TV is a 70" Sony Grand Wega SXRO, looked, but RCA had nothing even close although they were indeed cheaper, so were samsung and other brands and Curtis Mathis went out of business a longtime ago. Hardly the cheapest around.

I actually tend to go with the highest perceived or historic quality available, not the cheapest. I could buy cheap tires for my car that are half the cost of the ones I buy, but then I would use up 3 sets of them to the one set of high quality ones.

Other than fruits and vegitables that are labled "product of california" I don't actually research each and every thing I buy to see exactly where it is made. Maybe I should, non-right to work states and states that traditionally vote liberal really should be boycotted.
 
Who cares? The growers won't pay livable wages and the workers send most of their money back to Mexico.

....something about this math makes no sense.......



.....if they can't live off of the wages.... how do they have so much left over to send back to Mexico....
 
We don't pay CEO's. CEO's get their money from their companies. Companies get their money because consumers give it to them because they want their goods and services.



The reality is we pay our farm workers here far more than what the market demands. The market demands cheap labor which is why mexican produce out sells american produce.




This attitude right here is why America is failing. ****ing pathetic laziness.
To be consistent

If "we do not pay CEO's they get their money from their companies, then in reality "we do not pay your farm workers either" the farmers (or agribusiness) does.

As for your idea that mexican produce outsells US produce I believe that is incorrect

If the california agriculture business is worth 38 billion, and with the majority of that being in the produce areas (including nuts) while Mexican exports to the US of agriculturall products were

U.S. imports of agricultural products from Mexico totaled $15.8 billion in 2011, the 2nd largest U.S. supplier. Leading categories include: fresh vegetables ($4.1 billion), fresh fruit (excluding bananas) ($2.4 billion
http://www.ustr.gov/countries-regions/americas/mexico

In fact according to that website the US exports more agricultural products (including meat) then it imports from Mexico
 
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....something about this math makes no sense.......



.....if they can't live off of the wages.... how do they have so much left over to send back to Mexico....

What illegal immigrants are willing to sacrifice in the short term to ensure a better life back home is something that Americans are not willing to do, generally because the better life is not going to occur as the costs of living in the US (for that better life) will not exist. Also sending money back home to support ones family is entirely possible on their wages, again because of the cost of living. If the farm worker spends 50% of his income that leave for his family back home probably triple what they would earn back home. Sending 50% to ones family living in Sacramento, means they can not find a home to rent, or pay for food or pay for school, or for health insurance. Of course someone will suggest the family goes along with the farmer worker as they travel from area to area, but that of course would be horrible for the educational prospects of the childern, unless the goal of course would be to have them become farm workers as soon as they can
 
What illegal immigrants are willing to sacrifice in the short term to ensure a better life back home is something that Americans are not willing to do, generally because the better life is not going to occur as the costs of living in the US (for that better life) will not exist. Also sending money back home to support ones family is entirely possible on their wages, again because of the cost of living. If the farm worker spends 50% of his income that leave for his family back home probably triple what they would earn back home. Sending 50% to ones family living in Sacramento, means they can not find a home to rent, or pay for food or pay for school, or for health insurance. Of course someone will suggest the family goes along with the farmer worker as they travel from area to area, but that of course would be horrible for the educational prospects of the childern, unless the goal of course would be to have them become farm workers as soon as they can

And why is their housing so costly? Well, supply and demand of course, more people, more competition for available house. But labor costs play a big factor also, If labor cost go up 10%, then housing is going to go up and that is not even taking into account taxes neccessary to pay for all the services both needed and not needed that the community has to pay for. Most cities have higher housing costs than rural areas. I say most because in OKC area, housing seems to be about the same in town. In Texas, and Oklahoma, outside of major metropolitan areas, the cost of living is way, way below anywhere in California.

One thing I have never understood about some city dwellers is that they will pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for houses so close together that you can hear your neighbor fart but will not live in multi-family dwellings. Someone needs to start building 1000 to 2000 unit buildings with decent sound proofing between units, cost per square foot would be a lot less and you could rent them for half of what those individual houses cost and still come out ahead. Say around $.50 a square for rent, sounds reasonable, of course, using California labor and meeting Cali code and taxes, you would probably still have to rent for $2.00 a square to break even.
 
....something about this math makes no sense.......



.....if they can't live off of the wages.... how do they have so much left over to send back to Mexico....

They squat in camps or live ten to a one bedroom, (in violation of most rental agreements.). They never had anything in Mexico, so a little bit of nothing is luxury to them.

If you live on beans in a migrant worker camp you can afford to send mo ey home. Doesnt take much to make a difference in mexico.
 
What illegal immigrants are willing to sacrifice in the short term to ensure a better life back home is something that Americans are not willing to do, generally because the better life is not going to occur as the costs of living in the US (for that better life) will not exist. Also sending money back home to support ones family is entirely possible on their wages, again because of the cost of living. If the farm worker spends 50% of his income that leave for his family back home probably triple what they would earn back home. Sending 50% to ones family living in Sacramento, means they can not find a home to rent, or pay for food or pay for school, or for health insurance. Of course someone will suggest the family goes along with the farmer worker as they travel from area to area, but that of course would be horrible for the educational prospects of the childern, unless the goal of course would be to have them become farm workers as soon as they can

My dad was a sharecropper/migrant worker as a child during the depression.

The kids started picking as soon as they were able.

The founders took away the peasants and their former lords want them back.

Their overseas competitors have them, why shouldnt they?
 
And why is their housing so costly? Well, supply and demand of course, more people, more competition for available house. But labor costs play a big factor also, If labor cost go up 10%, then housing is going to go up and that is not even taking into account taxes neccessary to pay for all the services both needed and not needed that the community has to pay for. Most cities have higher housing costs than rural areas. I say most because in OKC area, housing seems to be about the same in town. In Texas, and Oklahoma, outside of major metropolitan areas, the cost of living is way, way below anywhere in California.
I would still expect rent to be $500 or so a month even outside of the cities in Texas (I would not know about mobile home costs)


One thing I have never understood about some city dwellers is that they will pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for houses so close together that you can hear your neighbor fart but will not live in multi-family dwellings. Someone needs to start building 1000 to 2000 unit buildings with decent sound proofing between units, cost per square foot would be a lot less and you could rent them for half of what those individual houses cost and still come out ahead. Say around $.50 a square for rent, sounds reasonable, of course, using California labor and meeting Cali code and taxes, you would probably still have to rent for $2.00 a square to break even.

That might change over time, on the east coast I believe it has, not yet in most of the west coast
 
WalMart is air conditioned and have bennies provided to it's workers. Plus promotion opportunities

Any work at all beats welfare. How can you have any self respect, how can you be a role model for your kids if you don't work. In the county I live in the unemployment rate was over 15% in the early 80s because we were so timber dependent and when timber shut down the county did too but I managed to keep busy, if I did it then people can do it now. Before someone calls me a liar...

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As you can see by the chart it is almost that bad again, thanks obama
 
Any work at all beats welfare. How can you have any self respect, how can you be a role model for your kids if you don't work. In the county I live in the unemployment rate was over 15% in the early 80s because we were so timber dependent and when timber shut down the county did too but I managed to keep busy, if I did it then people can do it now. Before someone calls me a liar...

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As you can see by the chart it is almost that bad again, thanks obama

I agree. I love to work. I'M RETIRED BUT i DO VOLUNTEER work for habitat for humanity and I enjoy it very much. There is no pay but it is very rewarding. Dan cap locks.
 
Any work at all beats welfare. How can you have any self respect, how can you be a role model for your kids if you don't work.

A) folks care less about being a good role model for their kids. if they are even still married to the woman raising their kids
B) folks are more likely to blame someone else if they are unemployed.
 
It's a WA-WA pedal you m****. I wasn't calling the OP a "cry baby" I was saying, "California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever' - US.........wah wah wah."
 
California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever' - US* Business News - CNBC



Just one question


I do not recall there being a shortage of farm labourers (lega or illegal) 4 + years ago, and yet people are saying Obama has been soft on illegal immigrants? When the boarder security seems to be working better now then 4+ years ago

It seems like keeping the conservative base feeling happy and safe is once again contrary to the needs of the majority. How does that keep happening?

The majority, that's most of us, need the nations largest agriculture state to produce the food we eat at a price we can afford.

Why do we let a small minority stand in our way of getting a pragmatic compromise on immigration reform that addresses the needs of CA farms--seasonal labor that can pick massive quantities of fruit. California is not a corn state, the majority of the farms in the central valley are independent.

We can argue how much the price of fruits will go up with higher-paid labor etc., but you can not purchase a tomato or strawberry that died on a tree because it wasn't picked. And with a limited supply comes demand which drives up what, class?
 
Funny. I see 3 options in this thread.

A. Live on welfare as a pathetic leech who is too lazy to work
B. Become a criminal who steals and robs or attempts to destroy society
C. Earn an honest living yourself

Sorry to break this too you but if you would choose A or B over C when you have the choice you are the problem with America.
What about option (D - Mooch off of family as a pathetic leech who is too lazy to work) ???

Being grossly underpaid for your labors is not an honest living its stupid as all hell.
Sorry Tuck, but this is not a flattering example of your amazing education and intelligence previously vaunted_

Economics 101__Wages are based on job qualifications which determine demand for each particular job_

And for this reason, a ditch digger can't expect to earn an engineer's pay_

(except of course in Karl Marx's beautiful utopian dream world)

And if that's all that you managed to find in my post, you are utterly devoid of any and all reading comprehension skills.
There's certainly alot of that goin round_ :giggle1:

You are taking people who could have worked and jail them, send them out into the streets and make them destitute wherein they are more likely to commit crime and thus be jailed, and you're calling for killing them as well.

I'd rather spend less money overall and have some amount of social safety net that benefits the lot of us.
Beggars can't be choosers and paying people not to be criminals only serves to exacerbate the problem_

There should be no "safety net" for criminals who consider the available work and wages to be beneath them_

As you can see by the exchange below, there are those who turn to crime simply to avoid low wage menial labor_

This is probably the reason why there is no one locally available to pick. In the Imperial Valley, its all meth and gangbangers.
The pay is better. Why be exploited by scumbags when you can simply become one of them?
Thanks for helping me make my point boys_ :thumbs:
 
Beggars can't be choosers and paying people not to be criminals only serves to exacerbate the problem_

There should be no "safety net" for criminals who consider the available work and wages to be beneath them_

As you can see by the exchange below, there are those who turn to crime simply to avoid low wage menial labor_

OMG....some people are going to commit crime. Quick....let's cancel welfare because that will surely make the problem better!

Jesus, maybe we should have some forced education in this country. We could use a boost to our IQ.
 
OMG....some people are going to commit crime. Quick....let's cancel welfare because that will surely make the problem better!
I think maybe you're over-reacting a bit here sweety_

Jesus, maybe we should have some forced education in this country. We could use a boost to our IQ.
Actually, we've been in a period of "forced dumming down" for the last few decades_
 
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