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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Farm labor is not regular work. A lot of it is seasonal iirc. So it could end up being a matter of uprooting your family etc for a few months work and then being left w/o a place to live or a job.
    Not sure that it's the best move on a macro or micro level to uproot your life and family for a couple months work.

    Something needs to change as the current system is not working.
    But I am not sure that a migration from the cities to the farmlands for a few m,onths work is going to be a good idea for anyone involved. We'd end up with these small rural communities filled with unemployed city-folk for the other 9 months (or w/e) of the year. I suspect that these small towns and smaller cities are not equipped for that sort of an influx.

    The current system is built around the migrant labor force who move from town to town following the various harvest seasons.
    The current system needs to change. I agree with that.
    What would many of these welfare,foodstamp and housing recipients be doing during the off season?Still on welfare,housing and foodstamps.So it won't hurt them to relocate to where there farm work is. Instead of being on full food stamps/welfare and housing assistance for 12 months a year they will be on full food stamp,welfare and housing assistance s 8-9 months a year.And a increase of population in those rural areas would entice companies to build houses and set up more businesses in those areas.
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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Is feeding your family an incentive? Providing a roof for your kids an incentive? Being able to provide for yourself? Earning your way through life?
    Your are aware that you are asking this question about welfare recipients in California? Some people are perfectly content living with just the bare minimum on government assistance.
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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So it won't hurt them to relocate to where there farm work is...
    So the plan is to move a bunch of people from the City to the Country to just hang out for 9 months of the year. Sign my community up for that **** right away. What could possibly go wrong with that plan?
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    And a increase of population would entice companies to build houses and set up more businesses in those areas.
    I am not sure that an increase in population that consists of people without steady jobs is all that enticing.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    So far, I think the best idea has been to market the summer work to college kids from around the country. There're already some businesses who do that sort of thing--so there's a model to follow and adapt as needed.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Surprised that so many people are talking about this as a welfare issue rather than a worker issue. As some others have pointed out, the business model of many California fruit and vegetable growers depends on paying **** wages to migrant workers who could not earn as much in Mexico or elsewhere. They receive no Social Security benefits, insurance, etc. People that think American workers should accept the same conditions as third world laborers ought to check themselves. Hell, even the third world laborers ought to be able to do better and not be so thoroughly exploited.

    Yeah, the cost of tomatoes is going to go up. I would rather pay what something actually costs on the front end rather than paying higher taxes on the back end to prop up bad, unadaptable and exploitative businesses.
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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Surprised that so many people are talking about this as a welfare issue rather than a worker issue. As some others have pointed out, the business model of many California fruit and vegetable growers depends on paying **** wages to migrant workers who could not earn as much in Mexico or elsewhere. They receive no Social Security benefits, insurance, etc. People that think American workers should accept the same conditions as third world laborers ought to check themselves. Hell, even the third world laborers ought to be able to do better and not be so thoroughly exploited.

    Yeah, the cost of tomatoes is going to go up. I would rather pay what something actually costs on the front end rather than paying higher taxes on the back end to prop up bad, unadaptable and exploitative businesses.
    Also agricultural labor is not subject to the same work hour restrictions, like overtime, or other various protection which most of us take for granted.

    Some fundamental changes need to happen. We need a new model.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    So the plan is to move a bunch of people from the City to the Country to just hang out for 9 months of the year.
    Sign my community up for that **** right away. What could possibly go wrong with that plan?
    I am not sure that an increase in population that consists of people without steady jobs is all that enticing.
    Those people got to buy clothing,food and have a place to live. So that means construction jobs to build homes and businesses and people needed to work in those shops, things which many of government assistance can do.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    We need a new model.
    Amen. People need to understand the true cost of the things they buy, rather than buying solely on price.
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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Speaking as someone who has done hard outdoor work all his life I stand by my previous statement that Americans have become afraid of hard work. If you will take 9 bucks an hour to stand at a cash register in an air conditioned building but refuse to take a job where you might break a sweat out in the sun I have no respect for you. This country was built by people who were not afraid to get their hands dirty and it is going to hell care of people who ARE afraid to get their hands dirty. If you refuse work because it's too hard then you can sit out in the weather you are so afraid of and starve as far as I'm concerned.

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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Those people got to buy clothing,food and have a place to live. So that means construction jobs to build homes and businesses and people needed to work in those shops, things which many of government assistance can do.
    We bring in the people first even though they have nowhere to live? Or do we convince businesses that it's a good idea to to invest in projects before the people get there?

    And how do we convince businesses that this is the best opportunity available to them? It's not enough to merely be viable, it has to compete with w/e else the business could be doing with their money instead.

    And what about the communities? It may not add to their tax base enough to make up for the increased strain on their infrastructures. And again, do we add the people first and let the infrastructure lag or do we try to convince voters to approve a tax to increase the infrastructure before the new residents are shipped in?

    I can't see as I would be willing to vote for my community participating in such a thing.
    I may be wrong.

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