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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    ....something about this math makes no sense.......



    .....if they can't live off of the wages.... how do they have so much left over to send back to Mexico....
    Yep, 1+1=10. Oh, wait, it does in binary.

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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    We don't pay CEO's. CEO's get their money from their companies. Companies get their money because consumers give it to them because they want their goods and services.



    The reality is we pay our farm workers here far more than what the market demands. The market demands cheap labor which is why mexican produce out sells american produce.




    This attitude right here is why America is failing. ****ing pathetic laziness.
    To be consistent

    If "we do not pay CEO's they get their money from their companies, then in reality "we do not pay your farm workers either" the farmers (or agribusiness) does.

    As for your idea that mexican produce outsells US produce I believe that is incorrect

    If the california agriculture business is worth 38 billion, and with the majority of that being in the produce areas (including nuts) while Mexican exports to the US of agriculturall products were

    U.S. imports of agricultural products from Mexico totaled $15.8 billion in 2011, the 2nd largest U.S. supplier. Leading categories include: fresh vegetables ($4.1 billion), fresh fruit (excluding bananas) ($2.4 billion
    http://www.ustr.gov/countries-regions/americas/mexico

    In fact according to that website the US exports more agricultural products (including meat) then it imports from Mexico
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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    ....something about this math makes no sense.......



    .....if they can't live off of the wages.... how do they have so much left over to send back to Mexico....
    What illegal immigrants are willing to sacrifice in the short term to ensure a better life back home is something that Americans are not willing to do, generally because the better life is not going to occur as the costs of living in the US (for that better life) will not exist. Also sending money back home to support ones family is entirely possible on their wages, again because of the cost of living. If the farm worker spends 50% of his income that leave for his family back home probably triple what they would earn back home. Sending 50% to ones family living in Sacramento, means they can not find a home to rent, or pay for food or pay for school, or for health insurance. Of course someone will suggest the family goes along with the farmer worker as they travel from area to area, but that of course would be horrible for the educational prospects of the childern, unless the goal of course would be to have them become farm workers as soon as they can
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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    What illegal immigrants are willing to sacrifice in the short term to ensure a better life back home is something that Americans are not willing to do, generally because the better life is not going to occur as the costs of living in the US (for that better life) will not exist. Also sending money back home to support ones family is entirely possible on their wages, again because of the cost of living. If the farm worker spends 50% of his income that leave for his family back home probably triple what they would earn back home. Sending 50% to ones family living in Sacramento, means they can not find a home to rent, or pay for food or pay for school, or for health insurance. Of course someone will suggest the family goes along with the farmer worker as they travel from area to area, but that of course would be horrible for the educational prospects of the childern, unless the goal of course would be to have them become farm workers as soon as they can
    And why is their housing so costly? Well, supply and demand of course, more people, more competition for available house. But labor costs play a big factor also, If labor cost go up 10%, then housing is going to go up and that is not even taking into account taxes neccessary to pay for all the services both needed and not needed that the community has to pay for. Most cities have higher housing costs than rural areas. I say most because in OKC area, housing seems to be about the same in town. In Texas, and Oklahoma, outside of major metropolitan areas, the cost of living is way, way below anywhere in California.

    One thing I have never understood about some city dwellers is that they will pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for houses so close together that you can hear your neighbor fart but will not live in multi-family dwellings. Someone needs to start building 1000 to 2000 unit buildings with decent sound proofing between units, cost per square foot would be a lot less and you could rent them for half of what those individual houses cost and still come out ahead. Say around $.50 a square for rent, sounds reasonable, of course, using California labor and meeting Cali code and taxes, you would probably still have to rent for $2.00 a square to break even.

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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    ....something about this math makes no sense.......



    .....if they can't live off of the wages.... how do they have so much left over to send back to Mexico....
    They squat in camps or live ten to a one bedroom, (in violation of most rental agreements.). They never had anything in Mexico, so a little bit of nothing is luxury to them.

    If you live on beans in a migrant worker camp you can afford to send mo ey home. Doesnt take much to make a difference in mexico.
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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    What illegal immigrants are willing to sacrifice in the short term to ensure a better life back home is something that Americans are not willing to do, generally because the better life is not going to occur as the costs of living in the US (for that better life) will not exist. Also sending money back home to support ones family is entirely possible on their wages, again because of the cost of living. If the farm worker spends 50% of his income that leave for his family back home probably triple what they would earn back home. Sending 50% to ones family living in Sacramento, means they can not find a home to rent, or pay for food or pay for school, or for health insurance. Of course someone will suggest the family goes along with the farmer worker as they travel from area to area, but that of course would be horrible for the educational prospects of the childern, unless the goal of course would be to have them become farm workers as soon as they can
    My dad was a sharecropper/migrant worker as a child during the depression.

    The kids started picking as soon as they were able.

    The founders took away the peasants and their former lords want them back.

    Their overseas competitors have them, why shouldnt they?
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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    And why is their housing so costly? Well, supply and demand of course, more people, more competition for available house. But labor costs play a big factor also, If labor cost go up 10%, then housing is going to go up and that is not even taking into account taxes neccessary to pay for all the services both needed and not needed that the community has to pay for. Most cities have higher housing costs than rural areas. I say most because in OKC area, housing seems to be about the same in town. In Texas, and Oklahoma, outside of major metropolitan areas, the cost of living is way, way below anywhere in California.
    I would still expect rent to be $500 or so a month even outside of the cities in Texas (I would not know about mobile home costs)

    One thing I have never understood about some city dwellers is that they will pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for houses so close together that you can hear your neighbor fart but will not live in multi-family dwellings. Someone needs to start building 1000 to 2000 unit buildings with decent sound proofing between units, cost per square foot would be a lot less and you could rent them for half of what those individual houses cost and still come out ahead. Say around $.50 a square for rent, sounds reasonable, of course, using California labor and meeting Cali code and taxes, you would probably still have to rent for $2.00 a square to break even.
    That might change over time, on the east coast I believe it has, not yet in most of the west coast
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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    WalMart is air conditioned and have bennies provided to it's workers. Plus promotion opportunities
    Any work at all beats welfare. How can you have any self respect, how can you be a role model for your kids if you don't work. In the county I live in the unemployment rate was over 15% in the early 80s because we were so timber dependent and when timber shut down the county did too but I managed to keep busy, if I did it then people can do it now. Before someone calls me a liar...

    bc unemployment.jpg


    As you can see by the chart it is almost that bad again, thanks obama

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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Any work at all beats welfare. How can you have any self respect, how can you be a role model for your kids if you don't work. In the county I live in the unemployment rate was over 15% in the early 80s because we were so timber dependent and when timber shut down the county did too but I managed to keep busy, if I did it then people can do it now. Before someone calls me a liar...

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    As you can see by the chart it is almost that bad again, thanks obama
    I agree. I love to work. I'M RETIRED BUT i DO VOLUNTEER work for habitat for humanity and I enjoy it very much. There is no pay but it is very rewarding. Dan cap locks.

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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Any work at all beats welfare. How can you have any self respect, how can you be a role model for your kids if you don't work.
    A) folks care less about being a good role model for their kids. if they are even still married to the woman raising their kids
    B) folks are more likely to blame someone else if they are unemployed.

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