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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    We jail the highest percentage of our population of all nations. We have stricter and harsher punishment for crime than Europe, including the death penalty. Where's Europe on that list compared to America?

    I also don't think the aggressive, military based, draconian government presented in Starship Troopers is particularly a good way to go. I would rather have my freedom.
    That is crime total. I really don't get how people can't see that on first sight.

    We need to look at crime per capita.

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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That's fine, but you're going to contribute to a higher crime rate, a unrecoverable loss out of the job pool, and end up spending more money policing and jailing all those people we threw in jail. Particularly if you are going to start calling for death penalty punishments.
    I would rather spend money policing criminals than giving money to them. The slight increase in cost to police them can be offset by taking money from the penal system luxeries prisoners have. The money we spend on prisoners is rediculous. They should be given the absolute bare minimum needed to sustain life and nothing more.

    What unrecoverable loss out of the job pool are you talking about?
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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

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    I would rather spend money policing criminals than giving money to them. The slight increase in cost to police them can be offset by taking money from the penal system luxeries prisoners have. The money we spend on prisoners is rediculous. They should be given the absolute bare minimum needed to sustain life and nothing more.

    What unrecoverable loss out of the job pool are you talking about?
    You are taking people who could have worked and jail them, send them out into the streets and make them destitute wherein they are more likely to commit crime and thus be jailed, and you're calling for killing them as well.

    I'd rather spend less money overall and have some amount of social safety net that benefits the lot of us.
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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    I would say that if they can't prove that they have a good reason for not taking the job, they should be cut off from welfare.

    That will make the kids work.

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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You are taking people who could have worked and jail them, send them out into the streets and make them destitute wherein they are more likely to commit crime and thus be jailed, and you're calling for killing them as well.

    I'd rather spend less money overall and have some amount of social safety net that benefits the lot of us.
    They are not working. And if they are criminals they deserve to die.
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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    We jail the highest percentage of our population of all nations. We have stricter and harsher punishment for crime than Europe, including the death penalty. Where's Europe on that list compared to America?

    I also don't think the aggressive, military based, draconian government presented in Starship Troopers is particularly a good way to go. I would rather have my freedom.

    Not all states have the death penalty and only 1, Texas, actually uses it on a regular basis. Our prisons are not punishment, their a trade school for criminals. Very few of them even make prisoners work at hard labor, if it weren't for them being locked in their cells, the would have better benefits, like gyms, cable tv, etc than hard working citizens do. For most of our prisoners, prison is 3 squares and cot, not punishment. And even where we do use capital punishment, it is done almost in secret and lethal injection really has no "fear factor" to it to deter crime.

    Europe also does not have a welfare state as we know it. I don't know about all of Europe, but when I was in Germany, they had a workfare system, not welfare. Of course they also had a better education system and their people seemed a lot more disciplined than here. Unfortunately, the government runs too much there, too much like socialism.

    While I don't think we should totally adopt the government he presents in the book, but I would take it anyday over some tard like Marx.

    Since you seem of actually read the book, what freedoms are you talking about that were taken away? The right to vote without earning it? Hell we have that freedom now and look how fast we are failing and all the problems we have.
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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
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    The best trades and manual workers usually have "foreigners" going on at the same time. --
    Oh, absolutely. don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking Immigrants at all. I was one of the few American-born people in most of the jobs I did, but I'm an immigrants kid. when I talk abut foreign labor, I don't mean immigrants. Sorry if that wasn't clear.





    Gotcha. I think there was a misunderstanding with what I was saying. I didn't mean anything about "immigrants" when I said "migrant farm work". I meant farm jobs where you have to move with the work based on the seasons. Immigrants typically are the people working these jobs, but that's merely a linguistic coincidence rather than anything else.
    Tucker, I'm really sorry and I apologise for my assumption. When some British workers talk about a "foreigner" they mean a bit of work on the side / work which is not part of the daily company work and the company the person is working for will never see any revenue. Usually the tax-man won't know that work is going on which is why it's colloquially called a "foreigner."

    I forget we're divided by a pond as I usually "get" your humour.

    Anyhow - to re-explain my previous post, the first part of what I said meant that the best or better manual workers probably also have work on the side going on. A really good bricklayer for example might use company tools at weekends or after hours to do some extra private work (a "foreigner").
    So my good friend Neil (for example) worked for a local roofing company but he was attracting a lot of requests for private work at weekends - when his company contracted he was one of the first to be laid off but as one of the better and more expensive employees he had enough work lined up to help him start his own roofing business. In the end, he finally got his private weekends back.

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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I would rather spend money policing criminals than giving money to them. The slight increase in cost to police them can be offset by taking money from the penal system luxeries prisoners have. The money we spend on prisoners is rediculous. They should be given the absolute bare minimum needed to sustain life and nothing more.

    What unrecoverable loss out of the job pool are you talking about?
    Brilliant!

    Deterrence is a farce. So your plan would just result in more cases being tried in the street. Represe ted by Smith and Wesson.

    Yall just hate it when your capitalist utopia doesnt work out.

    People dont want to be peasants.

    We pay CEOs exhorbitant sums because we "need" them. So since we "need" farm workers farmers are going to pay what the market will bear.

    Seasonal migratory back breaking minimum wage work will be resisted by anybody with sense. Sitting in a gas station all night pays about the same. **** picking cotton.
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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You are taking people who could have worked and jail them, send them out into the streets and make them destitute wherein they are more likely to commit crime and thus be jailed, and you're calling for killing them as well.

    I'd rather spend less money overall and have some amount of social safety net that benefits the lot of us.
    put em in prison. It's the American way. Put mentally handicapped in prison too. out of sight out of mind. Keep the middle class suburbs free of these people. They ruin property values.

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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Seasonal migratory back breaking minimum wage work will be resisted by anybody with sense. Sitting in a gas station all night pays about the same. **** picking cotton.
    Getting a job in a gas station should be pretty difficult in California if people are actually interested in having jobs.

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