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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    If you are able to work, and a job opportunity exists and you refuse to do it, then I'd say you need to be taught the value of of hardwork. Best way to do that would be to simply cut them off. If you are refusing to work for your money when you are able you dont deserve my tax dollars to support yourself.
    And so we can throw them on a train, send them off to some camp somewhere to teach them to work......or else!

    I fear that some of y'all so oversimplify the dynamics of this system that you trap yourself in 1 dimensional thinking which cannot even begin to accurately describe nor diagnose the system on hand. I don't know, my opinion is that people of such persuasion should never be listened to because they will never draw a proper solution.
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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And so we can throw them on a train, send them off to some camp somewhere to teach them to work......or else!

    I fear that some of y'all so oversimplify the dynamics of this system that you trap yourself in 1 dimensional thinking which cannot even begin to accurately describe nor diagnose the system on hand. I don't know, my opinion is that people of such persuasion should never be listened to because they will never draw a proper solution.
    What is the solution? When you have able bodied people who refuse to work and there are jobs for them to do? What should be done for those who refuse to work?
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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    What is the solution? When you have able bodied people who refuse to work and there are jobs for them to do? What should be done for those who refuse to work?
    WTF is this? Soviet Russia?

    Some people may refuse to work for various reasons, a certain percentage will be lazy, another percentage may be disabled, another may not have means to relocate, etc. Getting rid of welfare isn't a solution as you will find yourself in deeper trouble when homeless rates skyrocket and crime goes through the roof in many areas and we'll all have to spend more money combating that problem than if we just floated some people along. Part of the problem is the current construct of welfare wherein it may make more financial sense for a family to stay on welfare than to take some jobs. You could address that problem. Some of these jobs only illegals worked because the didn't meet US standards for jobs, you could address that problem as well. There are a myriad of possible routes to go that isn't to shoot them or huck them onto the streets.
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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    so for trying to run a business and work for a living they are stupid. I guess they too should resort to crime or welfare.
    No, for trying to run a business that cannot be sustained without exploiting their labor force, they are scumbags. They are idiots for not having a viable alternative to exploitation.

    Your second option also invoves illegal activity. No surprise there.
    It was your second option, too, genius.


    Paying above minimum wage for unskilled labor is not exploiting anyone.
    Paying less than the market will bare by using employees that have highly limited options is, pretty much by definition, exploitation. I'm sorry you have a poor vocabulary, but you'll have ot take it up with the morons who failed in your education, not me.

    You can stop with that stupidity anytime.
    says teh guy who forgot his second option and doesn't know what exploitation means.

    So in your opinion the job creators in this country should shut down and go work elsewhere?
    Uh, having open positions that nobody is willing to fill doesn't mean they are job creators. It means they have a failing business model.

    Where exactly should they go work?
    What the **** do I care where they work?

    How is shutting down American businesses a good idea?
    Businesses with bad business models need to fail because they drag down the economy whilst they sputter. The farming industry in California clearly has a failed business model. Boo ****ing hoo.




    Trying to keep your business open does not make you a scumbag.
    No, exploiting the labor force does. They have a faile dbusiness model that relies on exploitation, ergo, they are scumbag pussies whining about their failures.

    These farmers are faced with the reality of today shoppers.
    No, they are faced with the reality of their ****ty business model.

    The only thing they are victim to is their own stupidity for having a business model requires the exploitation of thier labor force.

    They are providing goods, made here in America, and employing people.
    They aren't employing people. Stick to reality, as in tehy can't get anyone to do the ****ty job they offer for th e****ty pay they offer. BAd business models. Best way to fail in business. .

    And you think they are scum?
    Cause they exploit their labor force.

    These men are the types of men who built this country.
    Absolutely. Scumbag slave owners who exploited their labor force did build this country. You aren't wrong at all on that. Why do you have the retaded idea that that matters here, though?



    They are making products here, and employing people, paying taxes and helping keep our economy alive and you would rather they shut down the farms, let foreign companies run the market and resort to crime or welfare.
    They are making money here by exploiting workers who have limited options and they are dragging our economy down by having a ****ty business model that cannot be sustained. They will soon be looking for handouts like most of the ****ty business owners who suffer due to their own stupidity in designing their business models (AKA banks, auto industry, etc)



    That IS a problem.
    I know, but unlike you I'm not just whining about the problem. I'm offering solutions based on the reality that is the innate stupidity of mankind. That problem can only be solved by changing the current laws and allowing businesses which rely on bad business models (like these farms) to fail.

    That is the problem these farmers are faced with.
    No, they are faced with the fact that their business model sucks.

    Please tell me how the farmers are supposed to change how the American consumer spends?
    Operate using a good business model instead of a ****ty one. They have nobody but themselves to blame for their failures. They aren't victims of circumstances because they created the circumstances in which they reside.

    If you own a business, and you don't have the foresight to change your business model to suit reality you do not deserve to have a business any more.

    Ask yourself this: Would you rather work 45 hours a week in an easy job or 40 hours a week in back breaking labor in order to earn the same total income? If your business model is such that the people you wish to employ have such choices, the problem is with your ****ty business model, not the labor force.
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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    ....then I'd say you need to be taught the value of of hardwork.....
    The value of hard work is precisely **** all more than the value of easy work at those wages. These farm owners are the ones who need to be taught the value of hard work. They have been getting it done for them for way too cheap for way too long, apparently.
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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    So, after California has virtually thrown open it's doors to illegals they don't want to work in the fields there. They will in other states, and it seems like the illegals keep streaming into the states where they're least welcomed.

    So is it because the illegals have stopped calling California home, or because it's been made so good for them there that they no longer need to work?
    I live in San Diego.

    Most of the illegals here work in the co struction trades.

    The housing industry here is ****ed right now.

    Many of those who were here actually went back to Mexico.

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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    WTF is this? Soviet Russia?

    Some people may refuse to work for various reasons, a certain percentage will be lazy, another percentage may be disabled, another may not have means to relocate, etc. Getting rid of welfare isn't a solution as you will find yourself in deeper trouble when homeless rates skyrocket and crime goes through the roof in many areas and we'll all have to spend more money combating that problem than if we just floated some people along. Part of the problem is the current construct of welfare wherein it may make more financial sense for a family to stay on welfare than to take some jobs. You could address that problem. Some of these jobs only illegals worked because the didn't meet US standards for jobs, you could address that problem as well. There are a myriad of possible routes to go that isn't to shoot them or huck them onto the streets.
    YOu are not understanding what I siad. I said able bodied people refusing to work. That discludes the disabled, elderly ect. I also never said anything about getting rid of welfare. I said cut it off for able bodied people who are refusing to work. So please try your reply again as your previous one doesnt pertain to what I said.
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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    The value of hard work is precisely **** all more than the value of easy work at those wages. These farm owners are the ones who need to be taught the value of hard work. They have been getting it done for them for way too cheap for way too long, apparently.
    They pay more than anywhere else in the world. If you want to try to push that idea they are probably overpaying based on the worlds industry average.
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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    They pay more than anywhere else in the world. If you want to try to push that idea they are probably overpaying based on the worlds industry average.
    They aren't growing it all over the world, they are growing it here. They need to incorporate reality into their business model.
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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    YOu are not understanding what I siad. I said able bodied people refusing to work. That discludes the disabled, elderly ect. I also never said anything about getting rid of welfare. I said cut it off for able bodied people who are refusing to work. So please try your reply again as your previous one doesnt pertain to what I said.
    What I said applies to the whole system, including "able bodied" people.
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