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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    By all means explain where I am wrong
    See the words that you have written? There.



    The question is does this tariff exist?
    Of course not. Why would I say that such tariffs should be put in place if they were already in place? Simple common sense.

    Again lets stick to reality.
    You live in a "reality" where new laws cannot be passed?

    The reality is the farms already pay more than other countries do and by a lot.
    Thus the need for tariffs and other taxes.

    And because of that they have to charge more.
    Thus the need for tariffs and other taxes.

    Because they charge more people dont buy as much.
    Thus the need for tariffs and other taxes.

    With our current laws, without injecting fantasy, what realistic option do these farmers have?
    Why do you have the preposterous belief that changing the current lwas is not a realistic option?

    As far as I can tell they can

    Raise prices and offer more for labor which would result in them losing their farms

    or

    Hire illegals

    or

    Americans lazy asses can go work for the 9.25 hour and support themselves and hope not to get robbed by the idiots who think crime is an alternative to labor
    False.

    If you are just talking abut what the farm owners can do, they can:


    A. Raise wages to a fair level commensurate with the effort which Americans and legal immigrants are willing to work for, potentially losing their farms from it but if that happens, it was the farmers own stupid decision to become a farmer when they new it required exploitation of their work force to be sustainable that caused their woes and nothing else.

    or

    B. Hire/exploit illegals who are willing to work at that pay because they have severely limited options

    or

    C. Get into a line of work where they can make their living honestly without needing to exploit others for personal gain


    They have no control over what Americans will or will not work for, nor should they. If they can't find employees at a level which the economy will sustain, then they have to find a new way to earn their income. Tough **** for them. It's not the American workers duty to break their back to sustain the income of these farmers. Nor is it the duty of the illegals to do it, but illegals have limited choices so they are easily exploited by said scumbag farmers.

    I feel about as bad for these farmers as I do for the idiots who buy big screen TVs from Wal Mart that are made in China that bitch about outsourcing jobs.

    The real problem is that people in this country will not pay higher prices by choice in order to sustain their own economy. Companies only care about their own bottom line and profit margins (which is all they should care about) so they will sell these fools what they are willing to buy, no matter how much doing so ****s them in the long run.
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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    For that week though you were still lumbering around.

    Yeah, got to stop it with the puns.
    I don't know, I got a kick out of it.
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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So you would be willing to move yourself, your wife (if you got one) and children (if you have any) several hundred if not thousands of miles away for a minimum wage job? You would be willing to take a loss on your home, and move to an area with higher home prices ... for a minimum wage job, that is seasonal and temporary?
    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    that sounds alot like what I do now
    What part of the Marine Corps is:
    A) Minimum Wage
    B) Seasonal or Temporary
    C) Requires you to take a loss on your home.

    We all know military pay is far above minimum wage, even for a lowly private especially considering he'll never starve because his pay is tapped for his meals and he lives for free in the barracks. And obviously your pay doesn't stop or decrease based on the time of year.

    You may take a loss on your room if you're a Marine who lives off post and purchased a home and then decided to sell, but if you're living on post there's no need to take a loss when you move because the house is owned by the government. Also if you live off post you earn extra money in Basic Housing Allowance which should cover rent, and since you know being in the military that you may move every few years why would you buy a house anyway? Of course some military members don't move that often and are really able to settle down in one place, I don't know if that's you or not.

    And lastly, the government pays for your move or gives you money to do it yourself which is normally a pretty good deal if you do it right. And lets not forget the medical coverage that comes with being in the military.

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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Is that an offer?



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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    So, after California has virtually thrown open it's doors to illegals they don't want to work in the fields there. They will in other states, and it seems like the illegals keep streaming into the states where they're least welcomed.

    So is it because the illegals have stopped calling California home, or because it's been made so good for them there that they no longer need to work?
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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    See the words that you have written? There.
    I didnt think you were actually going to do it.

    You live in a "reality" where new laws cannot be passed?
    I live in a reality where these laws do not exist. They are not there. These farmers cannot make a living on laws we'd like to see. They have to live with laws that exist. So again I am going to ask you for what they should do in reality.

    So lets look at your options

    A. Raise wages to a fair level commensurate with the effort which Americans and legal immigrants are willing to work for, potentially losing their farms from it but if that happens, it was the farmers own stupid decision to become a farmer when they new it required exploitation of their work force to be sustainable that caused their woes and nothing else.
    So for trying to run a business and work for a living they are stupid. I guess they too should resort to crime or welfare.

    B. Hire/exploit illegals who are willing to work at that pay because they have severely limited options
    Your second option also invoves illegal activity. No surprise there.

    C. Get into a line of work where they can make their living honestly without needing to exploit others for personal gain
    Paying above minimum wage for unskilled labor is not exploiting anyone. You can stop with that stupidity anytime. So in your opinion the job creators in this country should shut down and go work elsewhere? Where exactly should they go work? How is shutting down American businesses a good idea?

    They have no control over what Americans will or will not work for, nor should they. If they can't find employees at a level which the economy will sustain, then they have to find a new way to earn their income. Tough **** for them. It's not the American workers duty to break their back to sustain the income of these farmers. Nor is it the duty of the illegals to do it, but illegals have limited choices so they are easily exploited by said scumbag farmers.
    Trying to keep your business open does not make you a scumbag. These farmers are faced with the reality of today shoppers. They are providing goods, made here in America, and employing people. And you think they are scum? These men are the types of men who built this country. They are making products here, and employing people, paying taxes and helping keep our economy alive and you would rather they shut down the farms, let foreign companies run the market and resort to crime or welfare.

    The real problem is that people in this country will not pay higher prices by choice in order to sustain their own economy. Companies only care about their own bottom line and profit margins (which is all they should care about) so they will sell these fools what they are willing to buy, no matter how much doing so ****s them in the long run.
    That IS a problem. That is the problem these farmers are faced with. Please tell me how the farmers are supposed to change how the American consumer spends?
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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    That's the plot to the Grapes of Wrath, not the solution to our economic problems.
    Why not? Apparently the plot to 1984 was the solution to our government problems.
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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Actually I thought of a good solution. Cut off the welfare for these lazy pieces of **** who just dont want to work, shoot the ones who resort to crime then watch them line up to work when they get hungry enough. Its one thing to be on welfare because you can't find a job, its another to be on welfare because you dont want to do the jobs that are existing.
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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Actually I thought of a good solution. Cut off the welfare for these lazy pieces of **** who just dont want to work, shoot the ones who resort to crime then watch them line up to work when they get hungry enough. Its one thing to be on welfare because you can't find a job, its another to be on welfare because you dont want to do the jobs that are existing.
    Why stop there? We should take everyone on welfare and send them to "reeducation" camps where they will be taught the value of a hard day's work or shot on the spot!

    Do you people ever listen to the crap that comes out of your mouths, or is this more stream of consciousness stuff here?
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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Why stop there? We should take everyone on welfare and send them to "reeducation" camps where they will be taught the value of a hard day's work or shot on the spot!

    Do you people ever listen to the crap that comes out of your mouths, or is this more stream of consciousness stuff here?
    If you are able to work, and a job opportunity exists and you refuse to do it, then I'd say you need to be taught the value of of hardwork. Best way to do that would be to simply cut them off. If you are refusing to work for your money when you are able you dont deserve my tax dollars to support yourself.
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