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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Feed them what? Rice? that $50 bucks per person per month. three meals a day => $0.55 per meal.
    So what I am I going to feed my family which costs $0.55 per meal?
    LOL. The minimum fees for water/trash charges are like $25 bucks or so--that doesn't include any water usage. Then after we add in electricity [are we allowed to have electricity? or is that luxury?] and gas [if it's not a luxury] etc there's no way you can get enough utilities for $100/mo.

    You don't pay your own bills, do you?
    I damn sure do. I have a family of 4 that I support because i am not a lazy piece of **** who refuses to work. Our monthly groceries total less than $300/mo. And we eat pretty damn good. Again the difference being that my family and I live within our means. I dont think the majority of the people on this forum pay their own bills. Pretty sure most of you are waiting for a 6 figure job behind a desk and living on tax payers money until someone knocks on your door to offer that to tyou. Wouldnt want you to accidently have to earn your way.
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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Why do you hate America?

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    How the **** do I hate America? I hate lazy Americans. People in this country dont want to work and expect everything to be handed to them. If they arent going to get luxeries in life they get pissed off.
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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    They are being paid well above minimum wage. It is not criminal and they are doing it for themselves. So yes it is an honest living.
    $1 an hour is well above??!?!?!

    They are being exploited by society by getting paid far less than they deserve for their efforts. How about instead of allowing people to be exploited, all of us honest hardworking decent folks pay an extra few dollars a week on our groceries instead.

    Would it be better in America just closed it farms? Stopped growing food all together?
    those are your options? Pay peopel a **** wage or close up shop? Those are two ****ty options. Let's try something smarter.

    Because if they try to pay people $20/hr to pick their fruit greedy ass people here are just going to buy fruit grown in mexico and picked at $3/hr and noone is going to buy that produce.
    Then the ultimate problem is a combination of greedy ass people here buying foreign products and a lack of tarrifs to equalize the price of foreign goods. My stance would be that corporations should have to pay an exceptionally high tax on all of the profits they receive from selling foreign-produced goods here with zero loopholes.

    Let the market within our borders be a free one, where we can prevent outside factors from degrading it.

    Then these people still have no jobs.
    Of course. When you present a false dichotomy, you always get the results you desire.

    Or perhaps you think it would be better to open our borders and let the illegals come in who arent afraid of hard work like you?
    Nice reading comprehension.

    I'd be willing to bet that I've worked a hell of a lot more hard jobs in my life than you have. A hell of a lot more of em. I've worked as a garbage man, carpentry (smal business owner there), concrete, laborer, and I've done seasonal farm work in a foreign country as well. What's your resume look like, I mean aside from not having any jobs on it where understanding that which you read was a requirement?

    Tell me the better solution here then.
    I've told you one, but I doubt you'll comprehend it.

    Oh wait, you would just start stealing from those who do earn their money so you didnt have to earn your way in life. That is your solution.
    Where did I say I would resort to stealing from people who earned their money? Oh, that's right. I didn't. You know there are a great many crimes in this world, right?
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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    -- White collar employers often look down on a resume riddled with blue collar work --
    In a booming economy where there are lots of jobs, maybe but my experience was that if you were an employer (white collar or whatever) and you had two candidates, one whose CV / resume showed he/she was never out of work and the other had large gaps which closely linked to recessions which would you pick? Personally, I would go for the person who always has a job.

    I've only had one period of unemployment - my first summer before I went to college and I've done manual and skilled work, I've never been sacked or laid off and that's because I didn't want welfare or handouts. I always resigned because I had a new job and I was always offered permanent positions even when I took on temporary back-breaking manual work.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    -- Frankly, I'd turn to crime before I'd turn to migrant farm labor for $9 an hour. There's more money in it and it looks equally as bad on a resume.
    Sometimes there's a real reward in simple honest work though. I like the Polish workers who come to the UK and do the jobs a lot of British unemployed won't do - they have relocated legally, they have a hard work ethic and they are more than willing to take on jobs beneath their training or skills.

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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    We need to stop egging each other on.
    you are eggzacttly right

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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    In a booming economy where there are lots of jobs, maybe but my experience was that if you were an employer (white collar or whatever) and you had two candidates, one whose CV / resume showed he/she was never out of work and the other had large gaps which closely linked to recessions which would you pick? Personally, I would go for the person who always has a job.

    I've only had one period of unemployment - my first summer before I went to college and I've done manual and skilled work, I've never been sacked or laid off and that's because I didn't want welfare or handouts. I always resigned because I had a new job and I was always offered permanent positions even when I took on temporary back-breaking manual work.



    Sometimes there's a real reward in simple honest work though. I like the Polish workers who come to the UK and do the jobs a lot of British unemployed won't do - they have relocated legally, they have a hard work ethic and they are more than willing to take on jobs beneath their training or skills.
    KNot me and I am Polish.

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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    $1 an hour is well above??!?!?!

    They are being exploited by society by getting paid far less than they deserve for their efforts. How about instead of allowing people to be exploited, all of us honest hardworking decent folks pay an extra few dollars a week on our groceries instead.
    It is not being exploited. It is low skill work that anyone could do. If you aren't working anywhere else, you need to be out there working where someone is offering. It is above minimum wage.

    those are your options? Pay peopel a **** wage or close up shop? Those are two ****ty options. Let's try something smarter.
    Tell me the realistic option. Not stupid **** like
    Then the ultimate problem is a combination of greedy ass people here buying foreign products and a lack of tarrifs to equalize the price of foreign goods. My stance would be that corporations should have to pay an exceptionally high tax on all of the profits they receive from selling foreign-produced goods here with zero loopholes.

    Let the market within our borders be a free one, where we can prevent outside factors from degrading it.
    Because that is not happening. People here are going to buy what is cheapest. That is a fact. If you don't bleieve it go sit outside a walmart for an hour then go to a grocery store that pays well.

    Put an american made product at 20/hr next to a chinese one made at $1/hr. See which people buy. Reality is a bitch but it is reality.

    So by all means please let me know a solution that is grounded in reality. Your idea of become a scumbag criminal to avoid actually having to work is pathetic. Come up with something else. If you want to resort to that I hope one of the people you choose to rob is armed.
    I'd be willing to bet that I've worked a hell of a lot more hard jobs in my life than you have. A hell of a lot more of em. I've worked as a garbage man, carpentry (smal business owner there), concrete, laborer, and I've done seasonal farm work in a foreign country as well. What's your resume look like, I mean aside from not having any jobs on it where understanding that which you read was a requirement?
    I honestly dont care what you suddenly want to claim as an e-dentity. You are clearly stating you would rather be a criminal then earn a living. Dont try to sell me on stories about how you do actually do hard work.

    Where did I say I would resort to stealing from people who earned their money? Oh, that's right. I didn't. You know there are a great many crimes in this world, right?
    What crime are you resorting to then?
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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Our monthly groceries total less than $300/mo.
    I find that hard to believe.
    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I dont think the majority of the people on this forum pay their own bills.
    We humans tend to notice and remember information which supports our biases more readily than information which doesn't. This can lead to various distortions of perception.
    Not saying that you're wrong, because I have no data on the subject.
    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Pretty sure most of you...
    What group are your trying to rope me into?

    I also doubt that your utilities run even close $100 / mo.

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    How the **** do I hate America? I hate lazy Americans. People in this country dont want to work and expect everything to be handed to them. If they arent going to get luxeries in life they get pissed off.
    I guess you missed the ; )
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

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    KNot me
    Is that an offer?

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    and I am Polish.
    Visitor or naturalised US citizen?

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    Re: California Farm Labor Shortage 'Worst It's Been, Ever'

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    In a booming economy where there are lots of jobs, maybe but my experience was that if you were an employer (white collar or whatever) and you had two candidates, one whose CV / resume showed he/she was never out of work and the other had large gaps which closely linked to recessions which would you pick? Personally, I would go for the person who always has a job.

    I've only had one period of unemployment - my first summer before I went to college and I've done manual and skilled work, I've never been sacked or laid off and that's because I didn't want welfare or handouts. I always resigned because I had a new job and I was always offered permanent positions even when I took on temporary back-breaking manual work.
    There's the bitch about it. I don't care how good a person is at construction, if they didn't get laid off at least once or lose their job entirely during this past economic downturn, they are lucky as all hell. And teh bitch about it is, the best were often let go first because the best are also the highest paid.



    Sometimes there's a real reward in simple honest work though. I like the Polish workers who come to the UK and do the jobs a lot of British unemployed won't do - they have relocated legally, they have a hard work ethic and they are more than willing to take on jobs beneath their training or skills.
    Absolutely. But backbreaking labor is a young man's game, for the most part. I've worked through so many damned injuries I've lost count. I worked a full day on a broken foot once and then stopped off at the emergency room on the way home to get it checked out. When your income depends on your mobility, though, you put that cast on and get back to work ASAP. In that instance, it was about a week before I was hauling lumber around again.
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