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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That may be true, but it is not difficult to apologize. I do it all the time. LOL!
    I do too. Sometimes even when its not warented. That said this young woman has nothing to be ashamed of and no appoligy should be made by her. Especially now.
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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

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    Good lord you are sooooo right about children and taking advantage. Precedence should not be a real concern here as the infraction is very small and more importantly very much within context with the speak submited to the facilty. The words heck and hell are very much interchangable and frequently are interchanged. The setting of precedence is negligable at best. This is what I mean about dicression. They did not aynalis the situtation and realise there was nothing to punish in reality. They knee jerked it and got themselves bit and with good reason to boot.
    I agree. I don't think hell is a very bad word. I use it all the time myself, but the school (I don't know if this was only the principal's decision) apparently did, and THEY are the ones in charge. Just as if your boss told you that something was against the rules and you did it anyway. That's life.

    I want to add that I don't know how the rules would apply to this situation because it was during a graduation ceremony. It still occurred on school property and in front of the community and students, but since she is out of there now, I don't know how much the school can do, so that is not a part of my argument.

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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

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    Actually I am fairlly fresh out of school. I have my 20 year reunion this year.
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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I agree. I don't think hell is a very bad word. I use it all the time myself, but the school (I don't know if this was only the principal's decision) apparently did, and THEY are the ones in charge. Just as if your boss told you that something was against the rules and you did it anyway. That's life.

    I want to add that I don't know how the rules would apply to this situation because it was during a graduation ceremony. It still occurred on school property and in front of the community and students, but since she is out of there now, I don't know how much the school can do, so that is not a part of my argument.
    If they were employees I would agree completly. The thing is they are not employees. They are complused to attend the school. They dont get to say no. That changes things quite abit. Discresion by the school should be employed. Especially given the tenuous nature of their control. If push came to shove and it went to the courts I have a feeling that the school would get hammered hard.
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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    If they were employees I would agree completly. The thing is they are not employees. They are complused to attend the school. They dont get to say no. That changes things quite abit. Discresion by the school should be employed. Especially given the tenuous nature of their control. If push came to shove and it went to the courts I have a feeling that the school would get hammered hard.
    I don't know. You would have to look into other zero tolerance school policies that were fought in the past and see I guess. It's not THAT important to me.

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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I don't know. You would have to look into other zero tolerance school policies that were fought in the past and see I guess. It's not THAT important to me.
    I agree not that important at all. Cheers
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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    Thing is, I used to do **** like this when I was a kid too. Do or say something snotty and then, when the inevitable consequences came along, I'd get all high-minded and self righteous. Well, I could pretend it was a matter of principles, but it was really just being an obnoxious kid. I look back and I regret acting like that. I mean, it's part of growing up, I think most teenagers go through that, but I am glad I moved past it. I feel sorry for people who haven't moved past that attitude in adulthood, or worse, who feel that shouldn't even try to move past it at all. Like that kind of attitude is a good thing.

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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    Seems a bit harsh.

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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Can you provide proof of a rule she broke? As it has been pointed out earlier inthis thread there is no rule against using profanity in the school.
    Oh she didn't technically break any rules? My mistake, I thought she had.

    How can you equate the girl saying Hell with yelling fire in a crowded theater?
    You said "an adult . . . has the right to say anything [they] pleases with no consequences from anybody", to which I replied with an example of why that statement is false.

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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Thing is, I used to do **** like this when I was a kid too. Do or say something snotty and then, when the inevitable consequences came along, I'd get all high-minded and self righteous. Well, I could pretend it was a matter of principles, but it was really just being an obnoxious kid. I look back and I regret acting like that. I mean, it's part of growing up, I think most teenagers go through that, but I am glad I moved past it. I feel sorry for people who haven't moved past that attitude in adulthood, or worse, who feel that shouldn't even try to move past it at all. Like that kind of attitude is a good thing.
    I dont like bullies. I like when someone stands up to them. They should have resolved this privately. They didnt, instead they made an unreasonable demand, and are now getting their heads handed to them for their beligerence. If they had a zero tolerance policy that they were blindly following they were being foolish. Further holding her diploma hostage, is bogus Barbra Striesand. Either way they were wrong. The young lass was standing up for herself. Rightfully. She stood her ground on principle. That in and of itself is rare these days. I read the quote she made there was nothing about it in or out of context that was remotely snotty, petulent, mean or rude. It wasnt even very far from her submited speach. She exchanged the word with a word it was interchangable with and interchanged with frequently anyhow. She was absolutely right to stand her ground and NOT back down. (Hey isnt there like a Tom petty song that goes like that?)
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