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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Here is a a link. She DID break the rules, and she was well aware of that. It says ZERO tolerance policy.

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    There is zero tolerance and then there is zero tolerance. A high school in Oklahoma with a strict zero tolerance policy against profanity may have overreacted a tad in refusing to grant a diploma to a graduating senior (and not just any graduating senior but the class valedictorian) because she said H-E-double hockey sticks in her graduation speech. The teen, Kaitlin Nootbaar, was on NBC's Today Show on Wednesday, where she told host Matt Laurer that she has no intention of apologizing for her offensive choice of language. “I know what I've achieved,” she said during the interview (video here), “and the fact that I don't want to give an apology, maybe I'll never get my diploma and that's fine.”
    Zero tolerance is a cop out. It trys to save people from having to think for themselves and be held accountable for themselves. That said, they still have discretion and they failed to use it. This is a pick your battles moment. They picked the wrong one.
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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Zero tolerance is a cop out. It trys to save people from having to think for themselves and be held accountable for themselves. That said, they still have discretion and they failed to use it. This is a pick your battles moment. They picked the wrong one.
    That all depends on how you look at the situation. I see it more as the school cannot back down from their rules because it sets a bad precedence. Can't have the children taking advantage, and if you know anything about children, they do and will.

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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    No, they can make rules against students using profane language (or anything THEY consider profane language) while in the school setting, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
    Then they get surprises. They should expect them. I know I was certainly no angel at that age. I would also point out that after they certified the class as graduated they technically have no control over their former students.(That last is just food for thought.)
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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    With respect in this particular case it was in fact intentional. That should be clear to all.
    The articles I've read said it was unintentional.
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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Then they get surprises. They should expect them. I know I was certainly no angel at that age. I would also point out that after they certified the class as graduated they technically have no control over their former students.(That last is just food for thought.)
    That may be true, but it is not difficult to apologize. I do it all the time. LOL!

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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    It is clearly indicated in the article that the language was not permitted by the administration.

    "Not permitted by the administration" is not the same thing as "The community didn't approve", which is what you originally said. And neither is the same as it actually being against the rules.
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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    The articles I've read said it was unintentional.
    Well, the one posted here as the OP link doesn't say at all, but I searched myself and posted a link in which it does say she admitted on the interview with the Today show that she did it intentionally, as a last minute decision, to sort of spice up her speech.

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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Here is a a link. She DID break the rules, and she was well aware of that. It says ZERO tolerance policy.
    Ah, I hadn't read that article. That definitely explains the idiocy shown by the principal.
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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    "Not permitted by the administration" is not the same thing as "The community didn't approve", which is what you originally said. And neither is the same as it actually being against the rules.
    Apparently, the school has a zero tolerance policy for profanity which would make it against the rules.

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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That all depends on how you look at the situation. I see it more as the school cannot back down from their rules because it sets a bad precedence. Can't have the children taking advantage, and if you know anything about children, they do and will.
    Good lord you are sooooo right about children and taking advantage. Precedence should not be a real concern here as the infraction is very small and more importantly very much within context with the speak submited to the facilty. The words heck and hell are very much interchangable and frequently are interchanged. The setting of precedence is negligable at best. This is what I mean about dicression. They did not aynalis the situtation and realise there was nothing to punish in reality. They knee jerked it and got themselves bit and with good reason to boot.
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