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Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

ChrisL said:
Do you mean the parent/student handbook? I'm sure it is. If you have no link to prove it, you're claim is baseless.
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Somerville put it in the thread earlier. I'll dredge it up if you want.
 
ChrisL said:
The benefit of the doubt for what? She cursed on stage in front of everyone.
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It was a small meaningless mistake. The school got their panties in a wad over nothing.
 
Guy Incognito said:
The rules contained in the manual are never said to be exhaustive. The fax is that every school in the country disallows their students from using profanity. It is absurd and ignorant to suggest that a school does not have such a rule just because it is not listed in a booklet that was never intended as an exhaustive list of rules.

I am extremely dismayed that anybody would make such a stupid argument as this.
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Oh, really? It is a stupid argument to say that a rule that doesn't exist in a book full of applicable rules doesn't apply?
 
MadLib said:
Addendum:

Does the article happen to have a link to any written rule that the school had?
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Do you have any children in school? Every school has these rules. Students cannot use profanity in school. You don't need to look in a rule book to know this. In the article I posted, it states that the school has a "strict zero tolerance policy." Do you think they are lying? LOL! Google "valedictorian denied high school diploma" and you will see that MULTIPLE articles state this zero tolerance policy.
 
MadLib said:
It wasn't in the rulebook.

Therefore it did not break a rule
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That's the point that I was making and the question I was asking. Is it an on-paper, official rule or is it something that everyone just assumes is true, even though it's never stated. At the beginning of every school year, my kids get a copy of the rules of conduct that they are expected to follow and are required to return a signed copy to the school signifying they understand and agree with the rules.

If the rule isn't there, it's not a rule.
 
I was just going to post again but then I figured it's really not worth it. :roll:
 
ChrisL said:
I was just going to post again but then I figured it's really not worth it. :roll:
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You can post it all you want, it only matters what you can prove and apparently, you can't prove it was a rule. Anyone can claim a zero tolerance policy after the fact. Let's see someone back it up.
 
ChrisL said:
Do you have any children in school? Every school has these rules. Students cannot use profanity in school. You don't need to look in a rule book to know this. In the article I posted, it states that the school has a "strict zero tolerance policy." Do you think they are lying? LOL! Google "valedictorian denied high school diploma" and you will see that MULTIPLE articles state this zero tolerance policy.
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It seems like it would be one of those informal rules, which are bull****.

And let's say for argument's sake that there was a rule against "hell".

A. I'd say that's the most ridiculous rule I've ever heard, but it isn't, since in one state it is illegal to fish off of the back of a camel.

B. It was a graduation ceremony, which is not part of school so wouldn't have those rules.
 
MadLib said:
It seems like it would be one of those informal rules, which are bull****.

And let's say for argument's sake that there was a rule against "hell".

A. I'd say that's the most ridiculous rule I've ever heard, but it isn't, since in one state it is illegal to fish off of the back of a camel.

B. It was a graduation ceremony, which is not part of school so wouldn't have those rules.
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Look, we've already been through all of this. I'm not doing it again with you. I don't really care about it anymore to tell you the truth.
 
cmakaioz said:
Guy is just @#$@$ing with folks.
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Guy liked this post.

Guy, are you being serious or are you just POEing? Is this part of your hatred of public schools, or are you just a poe in general?
 
Cephus said:
You can post it all you want, it only matters what you can prove and apparently, you can't prove it was a rule. Anyone can claim a zero tolerance policy after the fact. Let's see someone back it up.
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And you can't prove that it isn't. Google it. Read the articles. They ALL say the same thing. Are they all just guessing? I doubt it. :)
 
ChrisL said:
And you can't prove that it isn't. Google it. Read the articles. They ALL say the same thing. Are they all just guessing? I doubt it. :)
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Um... you are aware that many sources take their information from a common source, right? Just because the original source says something doesn't make it so and it just gets repeated over and over and over.
 
Cephus said:
Um... you are aware that many sources take their information from a common source, right? Just because the original source says something doesn't make it so and it just gets repeated over and over and over.
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Oh? So what's your explanation for that? That they are mistaken? That swearing is school IS not against the rules or that there are NO rules about using profanity in school? Is this your argument?
 
ChrisL said:
Oh? So what's your explanation for that? That they are mistaken? That swearing is school IS not against the rules or that there are NO rules about using profanity in school? Is this your argument?
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I don't know how many times I have to say I don't know, that's why I asked the question in the first place.
 
Somerville said:
What's a "muzzie"? Is it like a "macaca"?
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Freakin HIGHlarious!! :bravo: :sarcasticclap :vomit:
 
No worries. I am quite sure she will - in the end - get her diploma, the official who tried to deny it to her will get reprimanded and this girl gets her 15 minutes of relative fame.
 
DA60 said:
No worries. I am quite sure she will - in the end - get her diploma, the official who tried to deny it to her will get reprimanded and this girl gets her 15 minutes of relative fame.
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I agree that this is the tragically likely outcome.
 
Guy Incognito said:
I agree that this is the tragically likely outcome.
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Of course she'll get her diploma. I think she should get her diploma. :shrug: I think both parties got a little carried away, but the school is not in the wrong for asking for an apology letter IMO. That is relatively mild.
 
Do you guys think the responses would be a bit different if she said the "F" word instead?
 
Guy Incognito said:
I agree that this is the tragically likely outcome.
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What, she shouldn't get her diploma because she said hell in any sentence ever? I really don't care what she said in her speech... lay off the coffee people...
 
Wake said:
Do you guys think the responses would be a bit different if she said the "F" word instead?
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It wouldn't have made an f***ing bit of difference to me.
 
Wake said:
Do you guys think the responses would be a bit different if she said the "F" word instead?
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In my case, I'd still be appalled by this whole ordeal. For the rest of this forum, sadly, it'll most likely vary.
 
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