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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    It is a very generous offer that they were under no obligation to make. What is stunning is that anybody would support this child's decision not to accept the offer. What kind of lesson is that for all the children out there? Break the rules, don't apologize, as long as you complain you will get everything you want.
    When I was her age I didn't let anybody push me around, especially school administrators that thought they knew everything.

    The school has no legal standing here and I am sure they did not expect this to blow up into a national story, so they don't know how to handle it.

    If you haven't noticed, you are the only one defending the schools position on this board. Unless youthink every poster here is an idiot, I would say you need to rethink your position.

    Again I will ask you. If you earned your paycheck, would you be OK if your boss withheld it because you did not do a certain dance for it? If you earn your paycheck, do you think you should get it without having to comply with non-existent rules you knew nothing about at the time?

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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Das Sozialist View Post
    You mentioned it but still haven't backed it up. You've been making claims in this thread with absolutely no proof and you've repeatedly ignored questions I've asked you. It's supposed to be a debate, not a one-sided conversation.
    I welcome you to say something not-wrong in order to advance the discussion, bu I shall not be holding my breath while waiting for you to do so.

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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I don't think you understand how these works, or else you would not say obviously false things like that.
    I know exactly how it works. Like I said a similar thing happened tome inhigh school. The school has no legal standing on this and I would not be surprised if the girl doesn't already have her diploma.

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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I welcome you to say something not-wrong in order to advance the discussion, bu I shall not be holding my breath while waiting for you to do so.
    You still have not explained how I was wrong.

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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    It "might not be right" to apologize for breaking school rules and publicly using profanity at a school function?

    I agree that she should be polite and apologize, but rules are rules. It is right when a speeder gets in trouble for breaking traffi e rulea and it is right when a student gets in trouble for breaking school rules.

    If you want to be rude and refuse to apologize to a traffic stop, see how far that will get you. But beyond that, there is no justification for the rudeness, since the person who did the deed bears the responsibility. So somebody is going five over the speed limit, cop pulls him over and the guy is rude so the cop writes him a ticket. If the guy had apologized the cop probably would have just let him off with a warning. But the rudeness and failure to apologize made a bad situation worse.
    If I did something wrong and I get stopped I take the ticket. I do not apologize for anything.

    If I did nothing wrong, like inthis case, I take the ticket to court and it gets thrown out.

    This is what this girl should do. It will be very interesting to say the least.

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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    I think you'll find that while she has satisfied the requirements for graduation and has graduated and will have a transcript of her grades sent to wherever she needs to have them sent, the education Nazi's in her former school system are not required by law to give her a traditional piece of paper that she can frame and put on a wall. It will ultimately be up to the school board. She'll lose, as the school board cannot allow the principal to die on that particular hill.

    The nation has gone mad. Far too many Americans seem to admire and follow the Taliban. It's happening all over the country. Oklahoma and this situation is simply a recent example.

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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Hey, what do you know, you are still absolutely wrong, just like the last time you wrongly said this wrong thing. Did I mention yet hat you are wrong?
    At this point as you know you are completely wrong in this case it looks like youhave nothing else to add to the conversation except to say people are wrong having no basis in reality for your statement.

    Please tell us why you think the student should have to jump through non-existent hoops to get her diploma.

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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    Political correctness is never pretty, It really does not matter which side is offended.
    It is a slippery slope!
    A smart Girl like this can frame her apology to satisfy everyone.
    Something like" I apologize for my inappropriate use of a movie quotation."
    I think the school is wrong here, but have the power to cause her harm.
    She should be polite and move on. If she stands her ground, she will be the one hurt.

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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    I know exactly how it works. Like I said a similar thing happened tome inhigh school. The school has no legal standing on this and I would not be surprised if the girl doesn't already have her diploma.
    I have to admit, I did not expect you to actually confess that you have a personal prejudice against school administrators. This fact is not surprising, however, as your highly emotional attitude seems to have made it impossible for you to look at this situation logically.

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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I only see emotion and I see a conspicuous absence of logic. Perhaps you had a bad experience with school administrators growing up? Your personal motivations are immaterial. Nevertheless, you wear your emotions on your sleeve, it is highly transparent where your feelings lie, and this is no doubt responsible for your failure to address this discussion reasonably.
    I have no feeling about this.

    It is logical to expect the girl to receive her diploma when she did the work to earn it.

    By the way you are forgetting this girl is the valedictorian. You do not become a valedictorian by being, what you call, a petulant child.

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