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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Das Sozialist View Post
    So if the Government decided to arrest you for swearing in public when there's no rule/law, you'd be fine with it?
    Fortunately, the first amendment protects against that sort of thing. Have you ever taken an elementary level civics class?

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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    She was given a chance to apologize for breaking to rule, which, if she had done so, would have allowed her to get the diploma. She refused to apologize, and opted to simply demand her diploma despite the fact that she broke the rule. Never mind that she is in no position to make demands, she rebuffed the generosity of the school to permit her to simply write out an apology. Why on earth would anyone support or encourage this kind of behavior?
    You have a very odd way of looking at things.

    The school was generous?

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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Have you ever been to a graduation?

    Rules are broken all the time.

    The hats are not supposed to be thrown into the air, but they do it. Should the diplomas be withheld in all those cases?

    If somebody yells something from the crowd, that is breaking the rules. Should the diploma be withheld?
    I don't see the connection. I do see a lot of arguing from emotion coming from your end. I can of imagine what rational reason anybody could have for supporting this petulant, stubborn, disobedient child.

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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    Guy I.-

    so someone standing their ground when you disagree with their reasons is petulant.

    I note you like name calling, not a strong debate tactic, but seeing some of your other posts it is one of your stronger moves.

    An intelligent person, and I believe this honor student is just that, can see the 'system' is wrong and there is no need to apologize because she did nothing wrong and with holding the diploma won't stand. Our nation was founded by such folks, I applaud her.

    Seeing how there is more information on the rules, and apparently no rule about using the word hell on school grounds or functions- and the Superintendent now claims there is a 'confidential' reason...

    perhaps you can admit there was no grounds for with holding her diploma, the school over reached and the honor student is justified in standing her ground.

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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Fortunately, the first amendment protects against that sort of thing. Have you ever taken an elementary level civics class?
    Your right isn't being infringed, you're still able to swear. Would you have a problem with it?

    I'll rephrase the question if it's too much of a problem. Would you be fine if the government made up a rule (unwritten) and arrested you for it?

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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    There is nothing in that policy manual that rules it out.
    Your theories about the secret motives of the school administrators are inconsequential.
    If it is not explicitly written inthe rules it does not exist just like with any law.

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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    You have a very odd way of looking at things.

    The school was generous?
    It is a very generous offer that they were under no obligation to make. What is stunning is that anybody would support this child's decision not to accept the offer. What kind of lesson is that for all the children out there? Break the rules, don't apologize, as long as you complain you will get everything you want.

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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    If it is not explicitly written inthe rules it does not exist just like with any law.
    I don't think you understand how these works, or else you would not say obviously false things like that.

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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    It is a very generous offer that they were under no obligation to make. What is stunning is that anybody would support this child's decision not to accept the offer. What kind of lesson is that for all the children out there? Break the rules, don't apologize, as long as you complain you will get everything you want.
    There was no rule.

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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    I wonder what the state accrediting agency would say.
    From a strictly technical point of view, she meets the requirements to graduate.
    Schools can withhold diplomas for things like library fines,
    but in this case it may cost her real money.
    Scholarships may be put in jeopardy.
    I think she should treat it like a traffic stop, be polite, apologize, and move on with her life.
    It may not be right, but is the path of least resistance.

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