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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Guy Incognito has claimed the young lady "broke the rules" by using the word hell in her graduation speech. Just one problem - there is no rule that would seem to cover her 'offense' in the rather detailed set of rules for Prague High students. The pettiness of the principal's behaviour causes me to think there may be some other reason behind his refusal to hand over her well-earned diploma. Like many other intelligent students Ms Nootbaar may have at one time or the other mentioned that she had questions about locally popular religious beliefs. Simply questioning religion causes some to react in non-logical manner.


    But the greatest irony in this matter and the one which causes me to think religion has something to do with the problem - is the school mascot

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    There is nothing in that policy manual that rules it out.
    Your theories about the secret motives of the school administrators are inconsequential.

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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    That is not a close analogy.
    If you take all required courses, earn all your credits and fulfill all the requirements set forth by the board of education, they must give you your diploma.

    A similar thing happened to me in high school, less the valedictorian part.

    She is an adult and as such she can say what she likes.

    Hell is a word everybody has heard before and certainly in a public school.

    If she takes this to court she will win hands down, so what does that tell you?

    Why would you defend the schools arrbitrary decision to withhold her diploma for such a stupid reason?

    The school should be glad to have had a student such as she is to raise their test scores and therefore get more money from the state, not treat her like she is a criminal for uttering a word that is said in every church in the country.

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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    There is nothing in that policy manual that rules it out.
    Your theories about the secret motives of the school administrators are inconsequential.
    So you believe administrators can simply make up the rules ex post facto?


    I know the whole reason I brought up religion is simply because I hate all those good xians! A population of 2100 and there are 20 churches in town.


    In looking for more information I found that Miss Nootbaar has started university with plans to major in biology - I wonder if the principal is a creationist.


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    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    There is nothing in that policy manual that rules it out.
    Your theories about the secret motives of the school administrators are inconsequential.
    Unwritten rules aren't rules. If the rule is not written, you cannot prosecute someone for breaking it.

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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    So you believe administrators can simply make up the rules ex post facto?
    I don't see anything that precludes it, not that the absence of the rule from the manual necessitates that it's application is ex post facto.

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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    What kind of lesson is that? What kind of example is that setting for children? You can misbehave and refuse to apologize, but as long as you complain it will all work out in the end.
    This is not a situation where a lesson needs to be taught.

    She worked hard for at least 3 years of high school and she earned her diploma.

    I hope you kow what the word earned means.

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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Das Sozialist View Post
    Unwritten rules aren't rules. If the rule is not written, you cannot prosecute someone for breaking it.
    Wrong, wrong.

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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    This is not a situation where a lesson needs to be taught.

    She worked hard for at least 3 years of high school and she earned her diploma.

    I hope you kow what the word earned means.
    She will not have "earned" her diploma until she apologizes.

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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Wrong, wrong.
    So if the Government decided to arrest you for swearing in public when there's no rule/law, you'd be fine with it?

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    Re: Valedictorian denied high school diploma for saying hell in speech

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I'm not sure what type of person considers a high school sTudent an adult, but even if we assume that is true, an adult has an even greater culpability.

    It continues to shock me that people are defending a misbehaving student like this. Some key said it earlier, PC run amok, and they are right. I am normally all for being PC, I think it is just part of being polite to call groups of people by the names they want to b e ccalled, etc. But this has nothing to do with being politically correct or free speech or anything like that. It is simply about apologizing for breaking the rules, or stubbornly and self righteously refusing to apologize. The morally correct path is obvious.
    Have you ever been to a graduation?

    Rules are broken all the time.

    The hats are not supposed to be thrown into the air, but they do it. Should the diplomas be withheld in all those cases?

    If somebody yells something from the crowd, that is breaking the rules. Should the diploma be withheld?

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