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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

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    That's true. PCs, as they have evolved today, are probably the most life-changing invention in my lifetime. Done in people's garages and without a huge infusion of capital from the Federal government. You'll never convince me that our government has any business becoming a venture capitalist with taxpayer money.
    Then you're condemning all of NASA's programs and most of the military as well? You think all those space and military systems were built by a company on their dime then sold to NASA and the military if they hit the jackpot?!?

    Even today's space systems that are "private" get a lot of NASA funding, though at least they are finally getting private money as well - as did these business ventures. Should we stop providing funds and loans to the private companies that are trying to build our next generation rockets and private launch facilities?
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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

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    Then you're condemning all of NASA's programs and most of the military as well? You think all those space and military systems were built by a company on their dime then sold to NASA and the military if they hit the jackpot?!?

    Even today's space systems that are "private" get a lot of NASA funding, though at least they are finally getting private money as well - as did these business ventures. Should we stop providing funds and loans to the private companies that are trying to build our next generation rockets and private launch facilities?
    No, not at all. NASA and their missions are tied to national security. Lots of wonderful unintentional consequences have come to us because of the space program. Our military? Same thing. Green cars? Notsomuch.

    When our country wants to "solve" green technology through the private sector, they need only tax gasoline to solve our national deficit. Gasoline $7.00/gallon? Problem solved in five years.
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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    No, not at all. NASA and their missions are tied to national security. Lots of wonderful unintentional consequences have come to us because of the space program. Our military? Same thing. Green cars? Notsomuch.

    When our country wants to "solve" green technology through the private sector, they need only tax gasoline to solve our national deficit. Gasoline $7.00/gallon? Problem solved in five years.
    I'll also add to this that instead of our country acting like venture capitalists in this area? They could better use those billions to replace all Federally-owned vehicles with the types of vehicles they are encouraging. Natural gas wouldn't be a bad deal.
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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    No, not at all. NASA and their missions are tied to national security. Lots of wonderful unintentional consequences have come to us because of the space program. Our military? Same thing. Green cars? Notsomuch.

    When our country wants to "solve" green technology through the private sector, they need only tax gasoline to solve our national deficit. Gasoline $7.00/gallon? Problem solved in five years.
    If gas were made more expensive people would scream even more than they're screaming now. I'm not saying you're wrong, just that it's virtually a political impossibility.
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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

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    I'll also add to this that instead of our country acting like venture capitalists in this area? They could better use those billions to replace all Federally-owned vehicles with the types of vehicles they are encouraging. Natural gas wouldn't be a bad deal.
    Many governments (state/local) have been doing just that slowly, as their vehicles need replacing. I'm pretty sure the Fed is also doing that to some extent.
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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    If gas were made more expensive people would scream even more than they're screaming now. I'm not saying you're wrong, just that it's virtually a political impossibility.
    Maybe. But maybe it doesn't have to go that high that fast. There will come a point, probably far below $7, that American interest will switch from sporty, sexy and 'tuff' to economy.
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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

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    Many governments (state/local) have been doing just that slowly, as their vehicles need replacing. I'm pretty sure the Fed is also doing that to some extent.
    Again, instead of billions to winners/losers, billions to fleets. As more and more of these cars get on the road, the fuel will be there (in the case of natural gas, as an example); the parking spaces with rechargers will be allocated. They can't do it fast enough, in my opinion.

    I rather think the American public could get behind a program like that. We know we're held hostage by the Middle East. Nobody likes it.
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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Again, instead of billions to winners/losers, billions to fleets. As more and more of these cars get on the road, the fuel will be there (in the case of natural gas, as an example); the parking spaces with rechargers will be allocated. They can't do it fast enough, in my opinion.

    I rather think the American public could get behind a program like that. We know we're held hostage by the Middle East. Nobody likes it.
    SO...the solution to the energy problem is to purchase cars that can go a total of 32 miles on a single charge (for 60-100k$), then spend the money to dig up the ground, bury copper cables connected to charging stations (and to do it in significant numbers you are going to need to tear up a LOT of pavement and bury a TON of copper medium) which are going to cost who knows how much per second of use, and the charging stations are going to require power stations and transformers...that are fueled by...fossil fuel burning plants. And when the charging stations ARENT available, the car you are driving to save energy gets LESS MPG than your new standard pickup truck?

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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

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    SO...the solution to the energy problem is to purchase cars that can go a total of 32 miles on a single charge (for 60-100k$), then spend the money to dig up the ground, bury copper cables connected to charging stations (and to do it in significant numbers you are going to need to tear up a LOT of pavement and bury a TON of copper medium) which are going to cost who knows how much per second of use, and the charging stations are going to require power stations and transformers...that are fueled by...fossil fuel burning plants. And when the charging stations ARENT available, the car you are driving to save energy gets LESS MPG than your new standard pickup truck?
    Well, then, by your view, the whole approach is nonsensical. I don't think you've got that right. There are already parking stalls in downtown Chicago that accommodate charging. It can't cost what you're claiming.

    I'm not really "up" on the technology for electric cars--but it's my impression it plugs right into your household current. What's the big deal? As to natural gas? We have natural gas cars on the road already; but the refueling is currently done on the fleet owner's property. What's the big deal there? I think you're wrong.

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    The Toyota Prius gets 51 city/48 highway/50 combined. That's hardly the gas mileage of a pick-up truck.
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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Well, then, by your view, the whole approach is nonsensical. I don't think you've got that right. There are already parking stalls in downtown Chicago that accommodate charging. It can't cost what you're claiming.

    I'm not really "up" on the technology for electric cars--but it's my impression it plugs right into your household current. What's the big deal? As to natural gas? We have natural gas cars on the road already; but the refueling is currently done on the fleet owner's property. What's the big deal there? I think you're wrong.

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    The Toyota Prius gets 51 city/48 highway/50 combined. That's hardly the gas mileage of a pick-up truck.
    The vehicle in question gets 20mpg when on gas. It is listed at something similar to the Prius on electric only (in 'stealth' mode...all electrics) but then, it can ONLY go 32 miles...so thats kinda false advertising.

    That house current HAS to be generated somewhere...right? Electricity has to travel over copper medium...which is finite without being amplified. Ah...and lets not forget...places like California already run with rolling blackouts...now they are supposed to charge a fleet of cars? Generated by fossil fuels?

    I didnt suggest a cost for laying the conduit but typically you can count on an industry standard of an average of $18 a linear foot, not including the cost of trenching and resurfacing (as per michigan.gov subdivision renovation costs...varies based on locale). Then you have to soec standards requiring manholes and handholes at regular intervals...throw in about $800 every 100 feet (spec requirements vary and its been more than a year or two since I engineered IT projects). Oh...and that was with the fed...I dont even want to think about what city union contract costs are.

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