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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I am going on the combined m.p.g. put out by the EPA - which (I assume) takes into account that people generally drive a combination of city/highway.

    If you - Mr. Everything Obama Does Is Wonderful - has a problem with that...I suggest you take it up with the Environmental Protection Agency.


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    Mmm, I don't think the EPA says anything about population distribution or the average speed during highway commutes. I think when they give highway figures they assume that you're crusing along at around the posted speed limit, whereas rush hour highway commutes tend to look more like this:

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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

    I can't help but notice the huge fault in a very expensive green car: not very many people can buy it. Call me simple in logic here, but I feel like its a terrible idea to invest in a manufacturer that makes their carbon footprint lowering cars so inaccessible to the general public. I'm guessing the idea behind the entire thing was to support the growth of green energy and the movement toward gasoline alternatives... but most people can't buy them! So what if a few people now have access to a slightly greener car? We've still got millions that don't.

    And this is all ignoring the fact that you could probably reduce carbon emissions and costs just as much by simply carpooling more frequently.

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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

    More importantly, it sounds like they made a POS...

    "As stated previously, the Karma is rated at 52 mpg-e by the EPA, including a rather pedestrian 20 mpg combined when the gasoline engine is running."

    Glare, stiff suspension, cramped seating...for 100k??? How could this be a bad investment of taxpayer dollars?

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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

    Quote Originally Posted by frogloe View Post
    I can't help but notice the huge fault in a very expensive green car: not very many people can buy it. Call me simple in logic here, but I feel like its a terrible idea to invest in a manufacturer that makes their carbon footprint lowering cars so inaccessible to the general public. I'm guessing the idea behind the entire thing was to support the growth of green energy and the movement toward gasoline alternatives... but most people can't buy them! So what if a few people now have access to a slightly greener car? We've still got millions that don't.

    And this is all ignoring the fact that you could probably reduce carbon emissions and costs just as much by simply carpooling more frequently.
    Good points, imo.

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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

    Quote Originally Posted by frogloe View Post
    I can't help but notice the huge fault in a very expensive green car: not very many people can buy it. Call me simple in logic here, but I feel like its a terrible idea to invest in a manufacturer that makes their carbon footprint lowering cars so inaccessible to the general public. I'm guessing the idea behind the entire thing was to support the growth of green energy and the movement toward gasoline alternatives... but most people can't buy them! So what if a few people now have access to a slightly greener car? We've still got millions that don't.

    And this is all ignoring the fact that you could probably reduce carbon emissions and costs just as much by simply carpooling more frequently.
    Fisker was an automotive designer who wanted to start his own company. The original goal was to contract nearly everything out, and do nothing but styling and some engineering in house. It was designed from the start to be a luxury car using hybrid technology. It was never going to be a high volume car, and it was done with lower then what most people would expect for start up funds.
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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Fisker was an automotive designer who wanted to start his own company. The original goal was to contract nearly everything out, and do nothing but styling and some engineering in house. It was designed from the start to be a luxury car using hybrid technology. It was never going to be a high volume car, and it was done with lower then what most people would expect for start up funds.
    And power to him...but do it like everyone else has to...raising capital through private means.

    Not getting the government to lend you hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars just so you can turn out cars that the vast majority of them can even afford.

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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Fisker was an automotive designer who wanted to start his own company. The original goal was to contract nearly everything out, and do nothing but styling and some engineering in house. It was designed from the start to be a luxury car using hybrid technology. It was never going to be a high volume car, and it was done with lower then what most people would expect for start up funds.
    Oh, I don't have an issue with Fisker, I have an issue with government funds spent on it. They can create all the luxury hybrids they want. But government funding to support green alternatives shouldn't be fed to them. I'm sure there is a bevy of green projects that would love government funding... and their products will be useful to a much greater percentage of the population. I'd like to restate that this whole green energy initiative isn't really any good if only the rich can afford it.

    Instead of trying to reach the most expensive technology, we ought to work on improving the affordable technology.

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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Fisker will be the next Delorean. They'll make crappy, expensive cars for a couple years, and then no one will ever hear from them again. It would be no great shame if every single one of those POS Karmas burnt to the ground.

    I really hope they don't get their additional funding, for a number of personal and political reasons.
    Yeah, but DeLoreans are actually interesting. Plus there's a company in Houston that still manufactures them. The karma was never cool, or iconic, and nobody ever heard of them until they started bursting into flames and injuring soccer moms turned wannabe trophy wives. Probably won't even score a paragraph in the oddities or hall of shame section of automotive history.
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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

    Quote Originally Posted by frogloe View Post
    Instead of trying to reach the most expensive technology, we ought to work on improving the affordable technology.
    That's not the way it works if you want to move forward. Color TV's were for rich people only at one point in time as were widescreens a few decades later. PC's weren't always as cheap as they are now. If it wasn't for a few small businesses and some hobbyists willing to spend their money, PCs would have never taken off. No technology jumps full-grown from nothing - it's almost always expensive at the start.
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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    That's not the way it works if you want to move forward. Color TV's were for rich people only at one point in time as were widescreens a few decades later. PC's weren't always as cheap as they are now. If it wasn't for a few small businesses and some nerds willing to spend their money PC would have never taken off. No technology jumps full-grown from nothing - it's almost always expensive at the start.
    That's true. PCs, as they have evolved today, are probably the most life-changing invention in my lifetime. Done in people's garages and without a huge infusion of capital from the Federal government. You'll never convince me that our government has any business becoming a venture capitalist with taxpayer money.
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