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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Technology gets streamlined and perfected through application and use. TV's used to be expensive. Telephone's used to be expensive. Microwave's used to be expensive. It's a new technology. Let it grow.
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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    delorean made awesome cars,but i wont argue on them being too expensive.delorean made the early supercars that were used as a base design for many cars in the 80's.what killed them was the fact they cost 25k in the late seventies,back when a new car was around 5k or less.

    kinda odd though these new electric cars share the same outrageous cost to benefit ratio.
    DeLorean's were 'awesome'?

    Maybe to you - not to me.

    They were fairly slow (0-60 in about 11 seconds, if I recall) and since they were made of stainless steel, after just a year or two of driving them, up close their bodies looked like old kitchen sinks - not smooth but lots of swirl marks and tiny pits...yuch.
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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    delorean made awesome cars,but i wont argue on them being too expensive.delorean made the early supercars that were used as a base design for many cars in the 80's.what killed them was the fact they cost 25k in the late seventies,back when a new car was around 5k or less.

    kinda odd though these new electric cars share the same outrageous cost to benefit ratio.
    The engines were vastly underpowered especially for what was supposed to be a sports car
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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Technology gets streamlined and perfected through application and use. TV's used to be expensive. Telephone's used to be expensive. Microwave's used to be expensive. It's a new technology. Let it grow.
    There is no new technology here at all, it is simply a fancy wrapper, around a basic hybrid car. The car gets 32 miles per charge and then gets 20mpg. Other than being politically connected, what is the "new tech" involved? This is crony capitalism at its worst and the "comming soon" plant in Newark, DE (Joe Biden's home state) is still not even a reality.
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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    There is no new technology here at all, it is simply a fancy wrapper, around a basic hybrid car. The car gets 32 miles per charge and then gets 20mpg. Other than being politically connected, what is the "new tech" involved? This is crony capitalism at its worst and the "comming soon" plant in Newark, DE (Joe Biden's home state) is still not even a reality.
    It was supposed to be the first plug in hybrid,
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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    That's what venture capitalists are for, RM.
    Sorry, didn't see the "invest" word. Thought you were asking why a company would build a $100k+ car.

    I hate to say this, but I don't think Fisker is gonna make it. Good thing Tesla is doing so well, plus I like their cars a little better. The Karma and the new Atlantic look great, but the Tesla Model S is just sexy.

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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    The engines were vastly underpowered especially for what was supposed to be a sports car
    I agree, but I would say more like underpowered instead of 'vastly underpowered'.

    Times were different then.

    The DeLorean did 0-60 in 10.5-11 sec (again, if I recall). That was actually peppy for those days...but by no means fast.

    The fastest stock Covette then did 0-60 in about 7-8 seconds.

    Today, a ZR-1 will do it in about 3. A 'basic' Mustang GT will do it in about 4.3 sec.. Plus, the fastest Camaro in 1982 had only 165 hp. Today, a ZL-1 Camaro has about 580 hp.

    The late 70's/early 80's was a BAD time for stock high performance cars, imo.

    The cars were pretty...but MAN were they slow.
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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    There is no new technology here at all, it is simply a fancy wrapper, around a basic hybrid car. The car gets 32 miles per charge and then gets 20mpg. Other than being politically connected, what is the "new tech" involved? This is crony capitalism at its worst and the "comming soon" plant in Newark, DE (Joe Biden's home state) is still not even a reality.
    Well, there is. It's not a fundamentally new overall drivetrain, but there are little bits that are spread around. The solar power roof and the regenerative braking systems are where the real technology is.

    Plus, it's faster than most hybrids. It has 490 hp and almost 1,000 lb-ft. I don't know another hybrid that gets near those numbers. Will that translate into big sales? Probably not. But like I said, this is the razor's edge of hybrid tech.
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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    It was supposed to be the first plug in hybrid,
    All hybrids are "plug in", that is the normal battery recharge procedure (and is quite slow at normal house current). The Fiskar is a little different in that it is more like a freight train than a traditional hybrid, since the IC engine powers a generator that runs the electric drive train, not using a spearate mechanical drive system, like most other hybrids.
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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Sorry, didn't see the "invest" word. Thought you were asking why a company would build a $100k+ car.

    I hate to say this, but I don't think Fisker is gonna make it. Good thing Tesla is doing so well, plus I like their cars a little better. The Karma and the new Atlantic look great, but the Tesla Model S is just sexy.

    tesla-model-s.jpg
    Tesla is likely losing money on each one sold, great car, but if they dont sell around 20 000 a year they will go broke
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