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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    The Chevy Volt. What a useless car that is.

    It's base price is roughly double what a fully loaded Chevy Cruze is...yet it is smaller inside, has a smaller trunk and seats 20% less people.

    And this was the car that was supposed to save GM?

    The only people that buy Volt's are either green fanatics or automotive ignoramuses.
    ...And people who don't support middle-east terrorists. And people who don't like the idea of the US being economically raped by middle-east sheiks without the aid of lubricant. There are plenty of America-haters out there who'd like to see the US get a bad deal, so I suppose I shouldn't be surprised when some oppose the US establishing energy independence.

    20% less people makes it useless? So it seats 4 people instead of 5. In trade for that one person, people who own a Volt and travel less than 32 miles a day (which represents a large percent of people), don't need to buy gas for their daily commutes, EVER! A great way to flip the bird at OPEC and their al-Queda friends. Does this mean that ANY 2-seater is "worse than useless?"
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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    ...And people who don't support middle-east terrorists. And people who don't like the idea of the US being economically raped by middle-east sheiks without the aid of lubricant.

    20% less people makes it useless? So it seats 4 people instead of 5. OMG! Stop the presses! GM is NOT making clown-cars. How will they ever hold up?
    Did I say that the sole reason it is useless is because it seats 4 instead of 5?

    No.

    But you decided to make it try and sound like I did.

    I think I know all about your character from that one post.


    And no, what makes the Volt 'useless' is it's base price of almost $40,000 for a car that is being sold on it's gas mileage (among other things).

    And considering they probably won't even sell 20,000 in 2012 - even with massive government price breaks - looks like most Americans agree....it's useless unless you are a green fanatic or an automotive ignoramus...or a combination thereof.

    You disagree?

    Then I guess we know that you are probably one of the above.


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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Did I say that the sole reason it is useless is because it seats 4 instead of 5?

    No.

    But you decided to make it try and sound like I did.

    I think I know all about your character from that one post.


    And no, what makes the Volt 'useless' is it's base price of almost $40,000 for a car that is being sold on it's gas mileage (among other things).

    And considering they probably won't even sell 20,000 in 2012 - even with massive government price breaks - looks like most Americans agree....it's useless unless you are a green fanatic or an automotive ignoramus...or a combination thereof.

    You disagree?

    Then I guess we know that you are probably one of the above.
    Well, the car DOES get great mileage, and it's doing so with a newer technology, and that always costs more, at the start. The Volt will take you 25 miles for slightly over $1.00. It's best gas-only competitors in this regard take you 25 miles for slightly under $3.00. I don't think you have to be a rocket scientist to work out which has better cost per mile performance. That would hardly make someone picking the lower automotive cost an automotive ignoramus. And performance like that hardly makes a car "useless."

    And I notice you didn't comment about the alternative choices of people who don't want the US taken advantage of by the middle-east. The absence of comment is telling.
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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Well, the car DOES get great mileage, and it's doing so with a newer technology, and that always costs more, at the start. The Volt will take you 25 miles for slightly over $1.00. It's best gas-only competitors in this regard take you 25 miles for slightly under $3.00. I don't think you have to be a rocket scientist to work out which has better cost per mile performance. That would hardly make someone picking the lower automotive cost an automotive ignoramus. And performance like that hardly makes a car "useless."

    And I notice you didn't comment about the alternative choices of people who don't want the US taken advantage of by the middle-east. The absence of comment is telling.
    So your idea of stopping the US (which has over 8% unemployment) from being 'taken advantage of by the middle-east' is for more Americans to go further into debt to buy a $40,000 Chevy Volt instead of buying a $16,000 Chevy Cruze (as an example) so they can save a few hundred dollars a year on gas?

    Noted.


    And btw - Canada sells more oil to America then all the middle eastern countries combined.


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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    So your idea of stopping the US from being taken advantage of by the 'middle east' is for more Americans to go further into debt to buy a $40,000 Chevy Volt instead of saving a bundle and buying a $16,000 Chevy Cruze (as an example) - which even if gas goes to $6 a gallon will cost Americans thousands and thousands of extra dollars over the life of the car?

    Noted.


    And btw - Canada sells more oil to America then all the middle eastern countries combined.


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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    It is not the Volt itself that will do it, but the further development of the technology that will bring costs down and performance up for future uses of the technology
    Remember when everyone crapped all over the Prius? Now it's one of the biggest selling cars on the market. The cost came down and now everyone and their mom has one.

    The Volt is still very new; it's easy to pooh-pooh it. Let's see where it is ten years from now.

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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    Remember when everyone crapped all over the Prius? Now it's one of the biggest selling cars on the market. The cost came down and now everyone and their mom has one.

    The Volt is still very new; it's easy to pooh-pooh it. Let's see where it is ten years from now.
    If they don't radically reduce the cost...it will probably not even exist.

    You cannot sell less then 20,000 units forever for a non-luxury model.

    Americans are not stupid about cars...they see that a 40K compact with a neat power train ain't worth buying...even with pathetic government rebates that force American taxpayers who cannot afford the Volt to give their hard earned money to upper middle class/rich people who already can - with or without the 'rebates/tax breaks'.

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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    So your idea of stopping the US (which has over 8% unemployment) from being 'taken advantage of by the middle-east' is for more Americans to go further into debt to buy a $40,000 Chevy Volt instead of buying a $16,000 Chevy Cruze (as an example) so they can save a few hundred dollars a year on gas?

    Noted.

    And btw - Canada sells more oil to America then all the middle eastern countries combined.

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    OPEC's vast oil reserves means they are a primary influencer on the price of oil. They are well known for doing this in ways that drive up the price. Since ALL oil purchased from anywhere (Mexico/Canada included) is purchased at the same international price, that means, yeah, OPEC is sticking it to us. And people should buy the Volt only if they can afford it, and it suits their driving needs. Short daily commutes to work and back are perfect for the Volt. It's all about choice remember. If the BMW 5-series and it's ilk are still selling well, price really isn't an issue.

    And if we no longer require OPEC's oil, energy must still be generated to power the cars that no longer use oil or use very little of it. So that means domestic energy must still be generated here. And that means jobs for Americans, rather than cash in the pockets of Sheiks. That will take a nice bite out of that 8% unemployment. I like Canada and Mexico just fine, but I'd rather give Americans the energy jobs, wouldn't you?
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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    If they don't radically reduce the cost...it will probably not even exist.
    No one in America is in the market for a $40-50K car? BMW sold 265,000+ vehicles in 2010. Mercedes Benz sold 245,000+ units in 2011. Audi sold in most ever in 2010, with 101,000+. These are not cheap cars. The entry levels cost near $30k, and they don't have tax credits like the Volt does (making it approx $33k after credits).

    Now take a look at the Volt. Better gas mileage then basically any competitively priced vehicle. It's American made, a selling point with many people. It's reliability has been better than average, although this is probably due to over-engineering in response to market scrutiny.

    I'm saying Chevy doesn't have it's work cut out for itself. But it seems that many good automotive ideas get dismissed out-of-hand only to quietly become staples of the road. The Volt has gotten good reviews from almost every automotive and science publication it's been featured in.

    FFS, give it a chance, son!

    You cannot sell less then 20,000 units forever for a non-luxury model.
    Prices comes down as the technology evolves and gets cheaper. There will be basic versions of the Volt and luxury versions over time.

    mericans are not stupid about cars...
    I beg to differ. What do you call the SUV craze of the late 90's and early 2000s? There was ZERO rationality in that trend.

    they see that a 40K compact with a neat power train ain't worth buying...
    A more advanced system than one of the biggest volume sellers in the US, the Prius? That doesn't exactly make sense in light of the market.

    even with pathetic government rebates that force American taxpayers who cannot afford the Volt to give their hard earned money to upper middle class/rich people who already can - with or without the 'rebates/tax breaks'.[/QUOTE]

    What does it come out to per person? A couple of pennies? Gimmie a break!

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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    OPEC's vast oil reserves means they are a primary influencer on the price of oil. They are well known for doing this in ways that drive up the price. Since ALL oil purchased from anywhere (Mexico/Canada included) is purchased at the same international price, that means, yeah, OPEC is sticking it to us. And people should buy the Volt only if they can afford it, and it suits their driving needs. Short daily commutes to work and back are perfect for the Volt. It's all about choice remember. If the BMW 5-series and it's ilk are still selling well, price really isn't an issue.

    And if we no longer require OPEC's oil, energy must still be generated to power the cars that no longer use oil or use very little of it. So that means domestic energy must still be generated here. And that means jobs for Americans, rather than cash in the pockets of Sheiks. That will take a nice bite out of that 8% unemployment. I like Canada and Mexico just fine, but I'd rather give Americans the energy jobs, wouldn't you?
    You obviously think Americans buying 40K cars to save some oil is a good idea for America.

    And I think the last thing Americans need is to go further into debt.

    There are FAR better ways of saving gas then buying brand new, over priced cars with feel good technology.

    You obviously disagree.

    Fine - now if you will excuse me, this pointless debate lost interest for me about 3 posts back, no offense.


    Have a nice day.

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