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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    That is a problem, especially if you live outside of town or travel much. And using pure electric for long distance travel, forget about it. It is practical for a lot of people, but then, those same people would also benefit from a good public trans system. For some of us, we would have to purchase two vehicles, the electric one and one for other uses, not to mention they don't even make an electric pickup. So lets see $35K for a leaf, it's all electric, then you need another vehicle if you actually need to travel more than 100 miles for the day. The Volt at least you get the option of running it on gas after what is it now 130 miles they claim. So maybe you won't need a second vehicle with it if it meets your needs, but with price starting at around $31K, how many average Americans can even afford it.
    Electric is for soccer moms, the volt is for well-to-do soccer moms.

    But my biggest problems with hybrids and electric cars is Why the hell do they have to make them so damned small? I'm 6'3 around 250lbs and already have pain and joint issues, no way am I folding myself into one of those little boxes at any price.
    Because most of them are made by the Japanese, who also apparently know nothing about automotive styling and design. Ford, Chevy, and Lexus are making them now, but I'd wait a while until they figure out how to make them not suck.

    Now we have our government, blame Obama or whoever, that invest all this money into a company that is making a luxury sports car. Why aren't they investing that money in someone trying to build hybrid/electric pickups, SUVs and delivery trucks instead? Take a look around you when you drive, how many Trucks, SUVs and delivery trucks to you see vs how many luxury sports cars. Giver farmers affordable and usable hybrid/electric pickups and tractors and that would greatly reduce their fuel cost, thus reducing food costs.
    I'd just have one for long distance travel, honestly. Only problem I have with hybrids is that the ones I've had to operate are crap when it comes to actually driving the godamned things. More and more are coming out, which means there will be improvements, but so far gas and diesel are still far superior to all the alternatives. Honestly, I believe non-petroleum based diesel is the best way to go. It would make us energy independent since we can manufacture it here in the US, it can be made cheaply in mass quantities, it'll open up all kinds of new jobs and industry, and vehicles don't have to make any sacrifices in performance and quality. hell, automakers won't even have to change much, just replace the ICE with a diesel, and make some tweaks to the drivetrain.

    And this whole stupid idea of High Speed passenger rail. Screw that for now. We need high speed, electric powered cargo rail first. We burn a lot more fuel moving cargo than people, concentrate on that first.
    Yeah, freight is a big one. Trucks will never be taken off the road, but if the majority of freight moved could be done by electric rail, that would just be a huge win for all involved.
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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    The problem with it, at least for me, is "refueling". Takes a very long time to charge a battery, and when one travels as much as I do, it's just not practical.
    At the present time, electric is just not for you. That may change down the road, but if it doesn't work for you now, it just doesn't. Still, electrics can charge up much faster than you think. With the 440V public chargers, many electrics can charge up in 30 to 45 minutes. You can go see a flick, and have a fully charged car when you return.

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    The Volt at least you get the option of running it on gas after what is it now 130 miles they claim.
    The Volt has a range of over 300 miles.
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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    At the present time, electric is just not for you. That may change down the road, but if it doesn't work for you now, it just doesn't. Still, electrics can charge up much faster than you think. With the 440V public chargers, many electrics can charge up in 30 to 45 minutes. You can go see a flick, and have a fully charged car when you return.
    Yeah, but unless charge stations become readily available, electric will remain useless for travel. I'm not saying it's a bad idea, but better options exist. Plus the maintenance on an electric car has to be considered as well. Those parts aren't cheap, and neither is having them changed out.


    The Volt has a range of over 300 miles.
    I know you're talking to DV, but I get roughly 410 miles on a single tank of gas, driving highway. I could likely go further with a smaller diesel-powered vehicle. Combine that performance with clean burning non-petroleum based fuel, and that's a win-win, imo.
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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Yeah, but unless charge stations become readily available, electric will remain useless for travel. I'm not saying it's a bad idea, but better options exist. Plus the maintenance on an electric car has to be considered as well. Those parts aren't cheap, and neither is having them changed out.



    I know you're talking to DV, but I get roughly 410 miles on a single tank of gas, driving highway. I could likely go further with a smaller diesel-powered vehicle. Combine that performance with clean burning non-petroleum based fuel, and that's a win-win, imo.
    And what is the predicted enviromental impact of bad batteries and battery manufacture? Few people even seem to take this into consideration. We put less crap into the air, but where do we store all those chemical batteries when they can no longer be used. Isn't that one of the arguments about Nuclear, where do we store the waste?

    Man, I wish that we had diesel powered SUVs, light trucks, etc. Wonder what the mileage difference would be on a Volt if it used a 1.4L TD instead of the 1.4L gas motor? Considering the torgue difference at low end, a diesel can turn a generator a lot more efficiently than a gas motor can. Most gas motors have to be up around 3000+ rpm to maximise efficiency in the engine under heavy load, a TD would chug along very efficiently at less than 2000 rpm, heck, a lot of diesels used in industry for generators and such cannot even reach a 1000 rpm. Quick someone out there swap a VW TD motor into a Volt and tell us what you get.

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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    And what is the predicted enviromental impact of bad batteries and battery manufacture? Few people even seem to take this into consideration. We put less crap into the air, but where do we store all those chemical batteries when they can no longer be used. Isn't that one of the arguments about Nuclear, where do we store the waste?

    Man, I wish that we had diesel powered SUVs, light trucks, etc. Wonder what the mileage difference would be on a Volt if it used a 1.4L TD instead of the 1.4L gas motor? Considering the torgue difference at low end, a diesel can turn a generator a lot more efficiently than a gas motor can. Most gas motors have to be up around 3000+ rpm to maximise efficiency in the engine under heavy load, a TD would chug along very efficiently at less than 2000 rpm, heck, a lot of diesels used in industry for generators and such cannot even reach a 1000 rpm. Quick someone out there swap a VW TD motor into a Volt and tell us what you get.
    The Chevy Volt. What a useless car that is.

    It's base price is roughly double what a fully loaded Chevy Cruze is...yet it is smaller inside, has a smaller trunk and seats 20% less people.

    And this was the car that was supposed to save GM?

    The only people that buy Volt's are either green fanatics or automotive ignoramuses.

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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

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    The Chevy Volt. What a useless car that is.

    It's base price is roughly double what a fully loaded Chevy Cruze is...yet it is smaller inside, has a smaller trunk and seats 20% less people.

    And this was the car that was supposed to save GM?

    The only people that buy Volt's are either green fanatics or automotive ignoramuses.
    The Volt was and is not supposed to save GM
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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    The Volt was and is not supposed to save GM
    During the auto bailout hearings, GM repeatedly called the Volt 'the future of GM' (or words to that effect). The Volt was over and over again used by the GM execs as a reason to save GM...that the future was bright thanks to vehicles like the Volt. They put the Volt front and center as a reason (not the only one of course) to save GM.

    And the media often asked if the Volt could save GM.

    I am not going to argue with you, the Volt WAS, in essence, indirectly supposed to save GM.

    You disagree...fine.


    Turns out it's a bit of neat technology that is a near complete waste of time as a car - again, unless you are a green fanatic...and an ignorant one at that.
    There are TONS of ways to own a car and save the planet that are far better then to buy the pathetically expensive Volt.
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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    During the auto bailout hearings, GM repeatedly called the Volt 'the future of GM' (or words to that effect). The Volt was over and over again used by the GM execs as a reason to save GM...that the future was bright thanks to vehicles like the Volt. They put the Volt front and center as a reason (not the only one of course) to save GM.

    And the media often asked if the Volt could save GM.

    I am not going to argue with you, the Volt WAS, in essence, indirectly supposed to save GM.

    You disagree...fine.


    Turns out it's a bit of neat technology that is a near complete waste of time as a car - again, unless you are a green fanatic...and an ignorant one at that.
    There are TONS of ways to own a car and save the planet that are far better then to buy the pathetically expensive Volt.
    The Volt was and is a sales pitch to help with GM's image. Designed before the crisis, and was and is more of technology development vehicle.

    The Silverado is vastly more important to GM
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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    The Volt was and is a sales pitch to help with GM's image. Designed before the crisis, and was and is more of technology development vehicle.

    The Silverado is vastly more important to GM
    I never said it was important to GM...only an idiot would think it was on it's pathetically low volume.

    I just said (in essence) it was peddled that way by the media and indirectly by GM during it's begging - er - bailout hearings.

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    Re: Automaker Fisker recalls some 2,400 Karmas for cooling fan issue

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Yeah, but unless charge stations become readily available, electric will remain useless for travel. I'm not saying it's a bad idea, but better options exist. Plus the maintenance on an electric car has to be considered as well. Those parts aren't cheap, and neither is having them changed out.

    I know you're talking to DV, but I get roughly 410 miles on a single tank of gas, driving highway. I could likely go further with a smaller diesel-powered vehicle. Combine that performance with clean burning non-petroleum based fuel, and that's a win-win, imo.
    As it stands now, yeah electrics aren't good for long distance travel. In Israel and Australia they're trying out cars that can have the battery changed in 5 mins. Such cars would be great for long distance travel, but we haven't invested in the technology so we're not there, yet. Range and cost will improve over time. Don't buy one until it fits your needs. That puts pressure on the automakers to constantly improve their product.
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