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    Re: Handcuffed suspect shoots himself while in the back of a police cruiser

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    I never said they were guilty. (although I think they probably are) I said they are fired.
    I am not taking issue with you ... I agree with you. My post was directed at the folks doing the firing of the cops.

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    Re: Handcuffed suspect shoots himself while in the back of a police cruiser

    With the history that police brutality has in the US, he'll probably be given some weak ass 6 months without pay sanction and worse yet he'll then rejoin police ranks in another town elsewhere. I've been telling you people for nearly 3 years that police brutality is a problem in the US and nobody seems to get it until it's too late.
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    Re: Handcuffed suspect shoots himself while in the back of a police cruiser

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    How does that produce a downward trajectory?
    Not sure how to explain it other than saying he turned / tilted / rotated his head. The trajectory is downward relative to the top and bottom of the skull, not relative to the ground.

    If the top of the head is lowered and a bullet enters there, then it's headed toward the bottom of the head. The downward trajectory is not relative to the Earth, it's relative to the top and bottom of the skull.
    When the skull is completely upright, the top of his skull is above the bottom. If the head is turned / tilted, then the top of the skull gets lower.

    EG if you were hung upside down and a bullet was shot straight up vertically, the bullet would travel from the ground up, but it would enter on the top of the skull and exit at the bottom. Was the gun above the skull? No. It was below it. Is the trajectory relative to the skull top to bottom? Yes.
    Now imagine that instead of being hung upside down, the skull is just rotated so that the top of the skull is more horizontal than upright. A shot with a more or less horizontal trajectory relative to the ground would not enter at the side of the head because the head is rotated / tilted. The bullet from a more or less horizontal gun would enter more toward the top of the rotated skull and proceed toward the bottom of the skull, EVEN THOUGH the bullet is not travelling at the same angle relative the vertical of the ground.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Handcuffed suspect shoots himself while in the back of a police cruiser

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    With the history that police brutality has in the US, he'll probably be given some weak ass 6 months without pay sanction and worse yet he'll then rejoin police ranks in another town elsewhere. I've been telling you people for nearly 3 years that police brutality is a problem in the US and nobody seems to get it until it's too late.
    bah ........

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    Re: Handcuffed suspect shoots himself while in the back of a police cruiser

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    Police Release Reenactment Video Demonstrating How Handcuffed Man Supposedly Shot Himself in the Head
    Police Release Reenactment Video Demonstrating How Handcuffed Man Supposedly Shot Himself in the Head


    For some reason this stinks to high heavens..............


    We saw how someone could shoot themselves in the head...yes it can be done, Ive seen people cuffed behind their back within seconds bring their hands over their head and be cuffed in the front...Ive seen two men actually break cuffs...one a huge samoan broke two sets back to back and had the biggest grin on his face...having said all that...obviously none of that applies here....

    What does apply, if he had the gun on him, the cops should be fired for cuffing him and not frisking him or not frisking him properly...all patrolmen know to SEARCH the back seat of their vehicles each an everytime they place someone back under arrest and they exit the vehicle...you do that automatically.....these are just standard procedures...no matter what really occurred here they screwed up at the minimum

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    Re: Handcuffed suspect shoots himself while in the back of a police cruiser

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    We saw how someone could shoot themselves in the head...yes it can be done, Ive seen people cuffed behind their back within seconds bring their hands over their head and be cuffed in the front...Ive seen two men actually break cuffs...one a huge samoan broke two sets back to back and had the biggest grin on his face...having said all that...obviously none of that applies here....

    What does apply, if he had the gun on him, the cops should be fired for not cuffing him and not frisking him...all patrolmen know to SEARCH the back seat of their vehicles each an everytime they place someone back under arrest and they exit the vehicle...you do that automatically.....these are just standard procedures...no matter what really occurred here they screwed up at the minimum
    I agree. There is no excuse for sloppy police work!!!

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    Re: Handcuffed suspect shoots himself while in the back of a police cruiser

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    I agree. There is no excuse for sloppy police work!!!
    This wasnt even sloppy it was worse...frisking someone your placing under arrest and frisking them properly is paramount to the safety of everyone involved and its what cops do....My partner and I daily decided who was driving...the non driver frisked the car...REALLY FRISKED THE CAR before we got in it and we frisked it again everytime we exited the car and it was out of our sight and everytime we took someone out of it....I understand cops today mostly work alone with no partner...the same applies...

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    Re: Handcuffed suspect shoots himself while in the back of a police cruiser

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Not sure how to explain it other than saying he turned / tilted / rotated his head. The trajectory is downward relative to the top and bottom of the skull, not relative to the ground.

    If the top of the head is lowered and a bullet enters there, then it's headed toward the bottom of the head. The downward trajectory is not relative to the Earth, it's relative to the top and bottom of the skull.
    When the skull is completely upright, the top of his skull is above the bottom. If the head is turned / tilted, then the top of the skull gets lower.

    EG if you were hung upside down and a bullet was shot straight up vertically, the bullet would travel from the ground up, but it would enter on the top of the skull and exit at the bottom. Was the gun above the skull? No. It was below it. Is the trajectory relative to the skull top to bottom? Yes.
    Now imagine that instead of being hung upside down, the skull is just rotated so that the top of the skull is more horizontal than upright. A shot with a more or less horizontal trajectory relative to the ground would not enter at the side of the head because the head is rotated / tilted. The bullet from a more or less horizontal gun would enter more toward the top of the rotated skull and proceed toward the bottom of the skull, EVEN THOUGH the bullet is not travelling at the same angle relative the vertical of the ground.
    I get that, but the picture (post 35) shows a bullet that would have an upward trajectory, from near the top of the jaw to the top of the head.
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    Re: Handcuffed suspect shoots himself while in the back of a police cruiser

    While I often question police actions, I think this is likely truth is stranger than fiction and the guy did shoot himself. Cops who want to kill someone can come up with better ways than some bizarre claim like that.

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    Re: Handcuffed suspect shoots himself while in the back of a police cruiser

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    according to authorities.

    This one smells fishy to me. Where is the gun? How could he shoot himself while handcuffed?

    Arkansas Police: Man Killed Himself in Back of Cruiser

    He probably wanted to take the quickest route out of Arkansas, and I can't really blame him for that.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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